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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein with gene and Chris on the

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para cast we're joined by Leslie cane

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investigative journalist she is a

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best-selling author of a UFO book which

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is an extreme rarity we don't get too

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many of those she's research UFOs as an

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investigative journalist

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for over a decade and has lots of

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important insights and we're going to

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cover what she has to say particularly

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also about a forthcoming UFO conference

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and about a certain conference we've

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talked a lot about called the Citizen

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hearing on disclosure but first Leslie

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first welcome back to the show thank you

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very much I'm so happy to be back with

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you guys now we got this item that

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you're hearing about probably for the

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first time you don't have to comment on

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it maybe Chris and I will talk about

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briefly before we get into it there's an

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article from Tony Berg alia who recently

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had written a piece being skeptical of

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the reality of the Socorro New Mexico

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UFO landing and now he has a piece where

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he concludes that Aztec is really

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Roswell Chris did you read this piece I

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did Jean and I'll tell ya you have to

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hand it to Tony Booga yeah he's quite

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quite creative in the way he analyzes

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some of these historical cases I

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absolutely disagree with his assertions

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on Socorro that it was a hoax by by

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college students there's just no

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evidence to back it up and the evidence

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he proposes does doesn't fly understand

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that Tony is a member of Kevin Randall's

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dream team to investigate Roswell so

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this particular piece here and already

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gotten response from Frank Warren and

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some others at the blog site what is she

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concluding here well um the tone it

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sounds like he's saying that that Aztec

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was actually disinformation trying to

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take the focus away from Roswell but

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that much of the information about Aztec

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actually could be applied to the Roswell

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event which which shows some pretty

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creative thinking on regalia's part but

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you know I think we really need to you

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know to come up with some more solid

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evidence to back up that assertion and

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I'd be very interested to see if he's

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able to do that the basic conclusion

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here is that Aztec was meant to be

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disinformation to refocus attention from

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Roswell and that was true maybe it

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succeeded because we didn't start

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talking about Roswell to the late 1970s

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correct

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so you but again I must underscore the

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creative thinking going on here and

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creative analysis I I do appreciate

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out-of-the-box thinkers and although I

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don't particularly agree with some of

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the assertions that regalia has proposed

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in the past I think this one deserves

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some attention because kind of has a

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ring to it and I would be interested to

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learn more lastly do you have any

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particular opinions about Aztec or

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Roswell unfortunately I don't know I

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mean I I just don't I'm not

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well-informed enough to have opinions

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about them about those particular cases

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I mean sure and I think at this point

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getting new information about those

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cases is probably going to be impossible

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unless some miracle occurs in any case

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Leslie now before we discuss this

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upcoming event we have had several

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episodes referencing the Citizen hearing

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on disclosure sponsored by Stephen

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Bassett which took place recently in

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Washington DC featuring ex members of

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Congress in fact in the case of one ex

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member former Senator Mike Revell I

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think he's been out of the Senate for

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what thirty years Chris something like

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that I think 81 yeah even longer Wow so

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you know he needed a day job I guess now

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Leslie you weren't there although a lot

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of interesting people work what's your

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reaction to this sort of thing boy it's

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a it's a complicated question I don't

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know I almost don't want to answer it

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but I have put some things on my

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facebook page about it because I was

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quoted in The New York Times

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I mean I basically just wanted to stay

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out of the whole thing but I was quoted

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in the New York Times and this upset

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some people I don't know if you're aware

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of that that article I'm aware of the

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item in the New York Times okay I

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was a fairly balanced article unlike the

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one in The Washington Post which I think

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just denigrated the entire thing but

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what about the New York Times article

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bothered you

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well first of all I do agree I thought

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it was the best article that came out of

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the whole thing because it was serious

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in its tone and also just the fact that

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it's the first article the New York

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Times has ever published that's serious

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on this topic and I spent a lot of time

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with that reporter and I gave him lots

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of information to kind of inform him

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that there really was something serious

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about this subject and I think you know

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he made this quote that I said I didn't

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think that the event in Washington was

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serious and it's not quite that simple I

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didn't really like the quote because I

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felt it was taken out of context so

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basically what I had problems with

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initially was the fact that Stephen

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Bassett did what he always does which is

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to claim that there's an

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extraterrestrial presence I guess he

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calls it there are extraterrestrials

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here that are communicating with humans

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they've been here for decades and the

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governments of the world are covering

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this up and lots of people know about it

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in the government you know he he thinks

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half the Congress knows about UFOs etc

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and so I just don't accept the very

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premise that he operates from and

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because I think it's one that I know I

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mean I don't think this I know this that

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the official world does not accept those

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statements as being facts and when

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somebody makes those statements they

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don't want anything to do with them you

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have to start with you know information

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that you can prove with people that that

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don't know anything about the subject

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and people whose reputations are at risk

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if they get involved with it so I was

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sitting there you know before I mean I

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was just disappointed that Steve didn't

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tone the whole thing down if he's

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jumping into the middle of Washington

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like he did and I think that by not

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doing that he was actually feeding the

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media information that of course they

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were gonna ridicule I mean it was just

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obvious to me that they were gonna

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ridicule this thing before it even began

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because when you make statements like

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that what do you expect and that's

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exactly what happened I mean these

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articles came in and what they were

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focusing on was that one point that he

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made about aliens so all the articles

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you know a lot of them anyway that

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I saw we're you know going to Congress

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and because they claiming that aliens

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are here and aliens this and

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extraterrestrials this that's what the

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media fixates on because it's the most

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ridiculous part of the claim that he's

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making and so I was just very

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disappointed I felt like this was an

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opportunity where if he had made some

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sensible statements and just decided to

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try to prevent evidence for things we

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can back up more like I'd what I'd done

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in my book I thought he would have had

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more success basically but this way I

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just think it's it it wasn't productive

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and that's what I meant by that

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statement I I also think that some of

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the people that he gave platforms to

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should never have been there far away

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from it so that's my take on it but I

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didn't mean to offend anyone I think

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there were some serious people there and

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there were people there that made very

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good statements and did very well I mean

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I don't mean to denigrate the whole

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thing but I just sort of think that when

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you taint it the way he has with these

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kinds of claims it sort of taints the

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whole thing and even though you had some

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good serious people there you know you

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sort of lost it by going out the way he

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did with it and that's just my you know

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I always have felt very strongly about

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that I've written about it I've written

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articles about the importance of you

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know being careful what you say if

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you're trying to access politicians or

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scientists you just have you cannot make

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claims like that

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and I strongly take that position and I

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stand by that position and I think if

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you look at the media coverage of this

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event it bears out it bears out what I'm

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saying because there were a lot of

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ridicule pieces and I believe that if he

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hadn't gone out like that with this

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extraterrestrial business he would not

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have been ridiculed the way he was

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that's just my perception because I

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haven't been ridiculed and I've never

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when I make you know the more kind of

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sane balanced statements that I make I

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don't get ridiculed you know it just

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bothered me that he he's so stubborn

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about the way he does things well you

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know he's around the power cast several

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times and I know Robert Hastings

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reference one of those appearances a

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particular portion of one show where he

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pretty much said he doesn't care he

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flame doesn't care about vetting his

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people he's looking

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or I suppose the most impact in terms of

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publicity but not understanding getting

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the wrong publicity this is what you

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encountered with the New York Times the

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fact that they are looking for sound

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bites in this day and age you want to

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get the four or five words that seem

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most provocative and use those as the

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basis of the story doesn't mean they're

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not serious about what they wrote and

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certainly I think the one from the New

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York Times was but that's what happens

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we'll get into more of that and get into

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a lot of I hope positive stuff coming up

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Leslie Cain's joining us and by the way

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Charles halt will be here in the second

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half of the show lots more to come with

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para cast calm we have Leslie Kane

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joining us on the power cast she's an

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investigative journalist who has written

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a book about UFOs that is one of the

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rare bestsellers and we were talking

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here about what I would say Leslie and

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you can disagree with me about the need

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to be politically correct when you

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address scientists and government

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officials about UFOs you don't assume

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facts not in evidence and maybe UFOs are

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et but unless you can prove that you

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don't say it you can say strange things

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are going on that we do not understand

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but if you push things too far they're

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going to just laugh at you am I getting

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this right yes they're not gonna they're

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gonna laugh at you and they're gonna run

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away I mean they may not laugh but they

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certainly will not engage with you or

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take you seriously for one second

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I don't understand why Steve doesn't

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understand that it's such a simple thing

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to understand and I you know I've dealt

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with these government officials for

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years and I've dealt with government

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officials from other countries for both

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from Chile and France which represent

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the best government agencies that exist

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you know on this issue in the world they

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wouldn't buy into this extraterrestrials

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engaging humans for decades and

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screaming and yelling about government

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cover-ups I mean anybody that does that

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is not going to be engaged by them so I

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mean Steve has this philosophy may be

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that he doesn't need government

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officials but then he says he's trying

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to get to Obama so you know who knows

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what what's going on but it's not

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rational and yes you have to be able to

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prove what you present and when you're

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dealing with people who don't know

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anything about the subject which is the

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vast majority of our political

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establishment they don't know anything

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and they're not interested in UFOs they

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could care less other things on their

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plate and you know there's these

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fantasies that these people have about

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Oh everybody knows about it and they're

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hiding it or they they're going into the

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back rooms I mean Steve used to say that

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the Democrats have gone into the back

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rooms and decided that that this is

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going

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to be the Disclosure president and all

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this kind of stuff and he makes these

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statements as if they were facts

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it's just deceiving people you know I

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mean I don't know where he gets this

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stuff that's part of the problem with

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this field is there's too many people

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out there that are mirror gazing inside

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a bubble and unfortunately when you get

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a big benefactor to come forward with

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you know seven figures some I think it

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it kind of legitimizes and validates

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that that navel-gazing and sort of

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existing within the bubble and your

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point is well-taken i'm sorry to

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interrupt you but i just need to throw

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that in there mm-hmm let's progress with

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this further now obviously if we're

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gonna be paranoid about it we could say

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that someone like Steven Bassett serves

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the interests of anyone who might be

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keeping a secret because you have

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somebody like him going on there and

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ranting about this he's going to help

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keep secrets so if that was the goal if

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there are really secrets that's not the

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way to get them that's sort of an irony

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isn't it it is it is I'm not gonna say

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he's a disinformation agent or not

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because we live in a paranoid culture

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but I know it's another way that some

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people who are very serious about the

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subject try to make it look more

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respectable as one you don't use the

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word UFO which has that veneer of

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silliness about it you know right but

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that's very hard to avoid it is very

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hard to avoid but obviously scientists

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are using the term that NAR cap uses for

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example unidentified aerial phenomena

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and years ago a pro would insist on

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calling them unidentified aerial objects

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ueo which is similar in other words make

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it very specific this is something

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that's going on that we do not

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understand we can't necessarily explain

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it by conventional means it deserves

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scientific explanation and maybe the

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stench of UFOs carries over to certain

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people so calling it something else yeah

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I mean I respect the scientists who do

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that and I thought seriously about it

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when I wrote my book but I also realized

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that when you have any other acronym out

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there people don't know what it is so

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you'd have to have in the same line

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every time you use it you'd have to

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explain it now a scientist may not care

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because they're basically speaking to

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other scientists but as a journalist and

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as

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writing a book I had to care that people

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know what I'm talking about you know so

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I decided to use it but I completely

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respect and understand why people would

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choose to avoid the term it's got so

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much baggage I opened my book by trying

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to explain what a UFO actually is and

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properly defining it which I wish

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everyone would do of course that might

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change some of the people's perceptions

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about it but that doesn't people don't

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do it everyone assumes a UFO is an

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extraterrestrial spacecraft by

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definition but unfortunately you know

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that's not what it is

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and that's one of the biggest problems

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and in talking about the subject is that

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assumption very hard one to undo well

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there was this survey that was done it

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was sponsored by National Geographic

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when they had that chasing UFOs TV

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series about which the less said the

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better

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when co-hosts say we're going to disavow

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this show you just know that it wasn't

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the best thing but it did point out

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something that a third of the people

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that they surveyed believed that UFOs

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are spaceships now understand if you go

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back to older serve races you probably

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know back in the 90s and 80s it was half

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the people in the United States but

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still that's the problem

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UFOs are synonymous with spaceships if

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you say I think UFOs are real oh you

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believe et is here exactly goes without

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saying and I have to constantly explain

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that to people when I talk about the

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subject always because that's that's

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exactly right the the acronym means that

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to everybody and so it just has to be

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stated over and over again that that's

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not what you're talking about

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you can press a button in my in my brain

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and I can I've done it so many times you

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know but you have to do that and of

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course you know the the UFO crowd the

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people that you know like at this event

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in Washington I mean nobody cares about

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that kind of careful delineation and

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rigor the kind of rigor that's needed

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when you want to make a strong case on

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behalf of the evidence for a physical

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phenomenon I just don't think you can go

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further than that but that that that

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case can be made that you have to do it

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properly and then people will listen

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it's funny though how the world has

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changed back in the early 50s Captain

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Edward ruppelt who headed Project Blue

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Book

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instead of calling them flying saucers

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he said we'll call them unidentified

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flying objects which was meant to be the

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serious phrase but right yep I'm the air

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force to find it the air force wrote up

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a definition and you know the US Air

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Force it was serious yeah and

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unfortunately that that change it

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changed into something else over time

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and we're stuck with that problem today

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I know that in those years of course the

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serious guy was someone like major

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Keyhoe who did state outright he thought

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we were being visited by ET but he tried

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in making the move to get Congress to

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investigate he would give the important

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cases but he'd be very careful about the

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stuff that had unusual aspects to it

550
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he'd stay away from UFO abductions for

551
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example right not saying they're not

552
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true in that case we're talking about

553
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say Barney and Betty Hill in the 60s the

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point being that that is such an extreme

555
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phenomenon that it's just going to turn

556
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a lot of people off no matter how true

557
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it is exactly it's not a matter of

558
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what's true and what isn't it's a matter

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of strategy the strategy that's going to

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get the job done that needs to be done

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that's what's important it's not about

562
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what anybody believes to be true or not

563
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true now the biggest argument I guess is

564
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I'm going to ask you this we've got a

565
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lot of questions from our listeners it's

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how can we change that climate because

567
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obviously we have the baggage carried by

568
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UFOs the expectations have been created

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through popular culture through these

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reality shows how do we get past that

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and move beyond it and really figure out

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what's going on by the way ladies and

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gentlemen Leslie's book is called UFOs

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generals pilots and government officials

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go on the record this is straight ahead

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[Music]

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that's the cane joining us on the

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podcast with Jeanne and Chris Charles

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Hall coming in the second half of the

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show and we were talking here about

683
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let's face it the need to be politically

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correct if you're trying to convince

685
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scientists government officials

686
00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:31,299
engineers whatever that there is a

687
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:34,270
phenomenon worth investigating that UFOs

688
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:36,730
are not just conventional objects you've

689
00:27:40,890 --> 00:27:38,799
got to be really careful about what

690
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you're saying how you say it and I guess

691
00:27:46,110 --> 00:27:42,640
the biggest problem now Leslie with all

692
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the baggage the UFO field has had over

693
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:50,890
the past 50 60 years how do we overcome

694
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,890
it can it be overcome well I don't know

695
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:55,600
if it can be but we can certainly try

696
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and I mean my approach to doing that has

697
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been really what I did in my book which

698
00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:02,679
is to pull together high-level officials

699
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:05,260
from around the world who do not ascribe

700
00:28:09,090 --> 00:28:07,510
to this sort of you know ufology

701
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:09,100
approach or whatever you want to call it

702
00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:11,290
but I've pulled together what I believe

703
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,630
is the strongest evidence presented by

704
00:28:18,539 --> 00:28:16,000
the people who are not going to make

705
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:18,549
claims beyond what they can prove and

706
00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:21,130
who take this approach and to just try

707
00:28:25,530 --> 00:28:23,380
to get that perspective out there and

708
00:28:27,390 --> 00:28:25,540
try to get it to the right people I mean

709
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:27,400
I don't know what else to do and I just

710
00:28:31,950 --> 00:28:30,010
sort of dissociate myself from the rest

711
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:31,960
of the whole UFO scene I mean I'm a

712
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:34,210
journalist I'm not a ufologist or

713
00:28:38,610 --> 00:28:36,130
whatever they call it or I'm somebody

714
00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:38,620
who's trying to present the best quality

715
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:40,630
most authoritative and well-documented

716
00:28:45,870 --> 00:28:43,360
information and bring the sources of

717
00:28:48,030 --> 00:28:45,880
that information at the highest level

718
00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:48,040
sources that I can find and present it

719
00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:50,260
in a way that is acceptable to official

720
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,660
them and then get it to them and so you

721
00:28:56,250 --> 00:28:53,919
know all you can do is just keep

722
00:28:57,630 --> 00:28:56,260
plugging away at doing that that's it

723
00:28:59,100 --> 00:28:57,640
and you know one of the things I've done

724
00:29:00,750 --> 00:28:59,110
is my book and then this conference

725
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:00,760
that's coming up which we can talk about

726
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,250
a little bit is also another venue you

727
00:29:07,169 --> 00:29:04,960
know helping to provide a platform for

728
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:07,179
people to make statements that are from

729
00:29:12,330 --> 00:29:10,210
this more official world and going on

730
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:12,340
shows like yours and making statements

731
00:29:16,539 --> 00:29:14,570
that I feel are important to be made

732
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:16,549
welcome those opportunities but at mom

733
00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:19,610
and so it's a hard road to climb but um

734
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:21,830
I think progress is being made and I'm

735
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:23,330
just gonna keep at it I don't know what

736
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:25,610
else to do let's continue with this and

737
00:29:31,419 --> 00:29:27,710
let's look over the problems and the

738
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:31,429
issues so when you go to a scientists or

739
00:29:35,860 --> 00:29:34,250
military official to talk about this do

740
00:29:39,220 --> 00:29:35,870
they kind of give you the third degree

741
00:29:40,930 --> 00:29:39,230
hey you know spaceships flying saucers

742
00:29:43,060 --> 00:29:40,940
who believe in that how'd it get past

743
00:29:44,889 --> 00:29:43,070
that well I mean it's not like I've sat

744
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:44,899
down with a lot of military officials

745
00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:46,730
you know I have certain contacts and

746
00:29:51,789 --> 00:29:48,950
I've conducted this briefing in

747
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:51,799
Washington that John Podesta we had kept

748
00:29:54,909 --> 00:29:53,450
this off-the-record but John Podesta

749
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went on the record with that in the New

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York Times article that I was quoted in

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you know and that was a group of people

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in which what I did for that was I wrote

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up a briefing paper and presented my own

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assessment of why we need to take the

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subject seriously and then I brought in

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four or five people to do this briefing

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00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:12,230
with me which the same way I did in my

758
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:13,960
book I like to give a platform to people

759
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:16,370
like General Wilford de Brouwer from

760
00:30:20,139 --> 00:30:18,529
Belgium or dr. Richard Haines you know

761
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:20,149
people that I feel to be the authorities

762
00:30:24,850 --> 00:30:22,490
on this topic you just present the

763
00:30:26,830 --> 00:30:24,860
information and when I did this briefing

764
00:30:28,629 --> 00:30:26,840
people listened and they were enthralled

765
00:30:30,610 --> 00:30:28,639
by it and they asked a very intelligent

766
00:30:32,529 --> 00:30:30,620
question so but if I had come in there

767
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:32,539
and talked about extraterrestrials being

768
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:33,679
here and that there's a government

769
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,210
cover-up and there's all these secrets

770
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:37,039
being kept you know I wouldn't have been

771
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,450
even to happen it wouldn't been able to

772
00:30:42,999 --> 00:30:41,120
have even had this briefing so anyway

773
00:30:45,879 --> 00:30:43,009
John Podesta has been sort of a link for

774
00:30:47,740 --> 00:30:45,889
me to that world and he has great

775
00:30:49,869 --> 00:30:47,750
respect for the way I approach the

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subject and how I go about it and that's

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the reason that he's and he's working

778
00:30:56,019 --> 00:30:53,779
with me is only because of that and I

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think that shows the necessity of and

780
00:31:00,999 --> 00:30:59,179
the value of doing it the way I do it so

781
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,009
yeah I mean I haven't had a lot of

782
00:31:04,899 --> 00:31:03,200
one-on-one meetings but I think every

783
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:04,909
meeting depends on who you're talking to

784
00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:08,690
and you know I just feel like I'm one of

785
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:10,070
the things I do know how to do is to

786
00:31:14,919 --> 00:31:13,129
steal the information and and create a

787
00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:14,929
briefing document or whatever is

788
00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:18,830
necessary which includes the the kind of

789
00:31:23,049 --> 00:31:21,470
information that should be stated at

790
00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:23,059
high levels and I know how to eliminate

791
00:31:27,490 --> 00:31:25,070
the information that should not be

792
00:31:29,620 --> 00:31:27,500
stated and again it doesn't mean that

793
00:31:31,390 --> 00:31:29,630
that the other information isn't true or

794
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:31,400
that you know whatever everybody has to

795
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:33,410
say about this people I you know it

796
00:31:37,810 --> 00:31:35,930
might all be true but the point is it

797
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:37,820
doesn't work to bring that into the

798
00:31:41,530 --> 00:31:39,290
official world you've just got to know

799
00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:41,540
what works and what doesn't work okay

800
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:43,100
let's just cover this very briefly

801
00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:44,240
because we have a lot of questions from

802
00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:46,310
our listeners Leslie okay you're going

803
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:48,740
into someone can you briefly state what

804
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:51,050
sort of evidence you're going to present

805
00:31:55,270 --> 00:31:53,330
that's the most compelling to show them

806
00:31:57,550 --> 00:31:55,280
this is something that's worth further

807
00:31:59,100 --> 00:31:57,560
study yeah I mean I would first would

808
00:32:01,480 --> 00:31:59,110
make some statements about the overall

809
00:32:02,770 --> 00:32:01,490
issues about why it's important as a

810
00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:02,780
site you know that it's important as a

811
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:04,400
scientific problem it's important

812
00:32:08,350 --> 00:32:06,170
because there are ABA ssin safety issues

813
00:32:10,660 --> 00:32:08,360
that are raised by it and then I might

814
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:10,670
cite some of the cases that have the

815
00:32:14,620 --> 00:32:12,290
most compelling evidence

816
00:32:16,780 --> 00:32:14,630
I think the O'Hare Airport I mean I the

817
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:16,790
argument that I usually take is that we

818
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:18,650
need a government agency in the United

819
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:21,110
States let's say just a staff person

820
00:32:26,140 --> 00:32:23,510
even one or two people to serve as point

821
00:32:27,790 --> 00:32:26,150
people on this issue and I will I will

822
00:32:29,650 --> 00:32:27,800
outline what other governments are doing

823
00:32:31,420 --> 00:32:29,660
for in other countries and show that

824
00:32:33,550 --> 00:32:31,430
they take it seriously and that these

825
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:33,560
are the reasons why and that we need

826
00:32:38,050 --> 00:32:35,810
somebody to interact with those other

827
00:32:39,550 --> 00:32:38,060
governments and that's sort of the the

828
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:39,560
point that I'm trying to make and in

829
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:42,050
making that point I have to argue for it

830
00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:45,290
so an example I love to argue on is the

831
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:47,780
O'Hare incident from 2006 and to

832
00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:51,200
illustrate the kind of dysfunctional way

833
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:53,030
that our government has response to

834
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:54,890
these does respond to these cases that

835
00:32:59,230 --> 00:32:57,290
case illustrates that very well the

836
00:33:02,740 --> 00:32:59,240
Phoenix lights is another incident in

837
00:33:05,140 --> 00:33:02,750
which our government had no relationship

838
00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:05,150
it whereas in other countries the

839
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:07,310
official agencies would get very

840
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:09,530
involved in these kinds of events and

841
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:12,110
would inform the public about them so I

842
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:14,510
am very a lot of what I do is try to

843
00:33:19,090 --> 00:33:17,330
make the comparison with the agencies

844
00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:19,100
from other countries and to just sort of

845
00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:21,590
highlight not so much that there's

846
00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:23,870
something weird there but that we have a

847
00:33:27,910 --> 00:33:26,030
phenomenon that's recurring and that we

848
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:27,920
don't have anyway within the United

849
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:29,930
States structure of coping with it of

850
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:31,970
dealing with it and that it really needs

851
00:33:35,170 --> 00:33:33,770
to be addressed and that's sort of what

852
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,180
I think is the most important point to

853
00:33:40,030 --> 00:33:37,760
make if there's a single country out

854
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:40,040
there that's doing it right in your

855
00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:40,640
opinion what

856
00:33:45,340 --> 00:33:43,070
country would that be I would say that

857
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:45,350
Chile is doing it the best actually the

858
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:46,970
best in the world as far as I'm aware

859
00:33:51,010 --> 00:33:48,890
I've spent I went i've been down there

860
00:33:53,470 --> 00:33:51,020
many times in the last year and actually

861
00:33:55,540 --> 00:33:53,480
have watched them work and have been

862
00:33:57,730 --> 00:33:55,550
briefed by the general Bermudez is the

863
00:33:59,500 --> 00:33:57,740
head of that agency they have four

864
00:34:01,500 --> 00:33:59,510
full-time staff they're in the process

865
00:34:04,090 --> 00:34:01,510
of getting a fifth person now and

866
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,100
they're got their agency is situated

867
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,320
within the equivalent of our faa and

868
00:34:11,139 --> 00:34:08,960
they are they're just in it what's

869
00:34:12,669 --> 00:34:11,149
incredible at this agency is you know

870
00:34:14,350 --> 00:34:12,679
they do great work but it's the way

871
00:34:16,270 --> 00:34:14,360
they're plugged in with all the

872
00:34:19,380 --> 00:34:16,280
different government agencies government

873
00:34:22,180 --> 00:34:19,390
departments militaries airports aviation

874
00:34:23,940 --> 00:34:22,190
communities they are completely plugged

875
00:34:27,070 --> 00:34:23,950
in throughout the whole country and

876
00:34:28,180 --> 00:34:27,080
accepted by the country by every every

877
00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:28,190
branch of government and they have

878
00:34:33,580 --> 00:34:30,710
regular meetings with you know the Air

879
00:34:36,580 --> 00:34:33,590
Force commanders high-level officials in

880
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:36,590
the Navy and when a case comes up they

881
00:34:40,090 --> 00:34:38,570
have a committee on hand which

882
00:34:41,889 --> 00:34:40,100
represents experts from all these

883
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:41,899
different areas that will immediately

884
00:34:47,230 --> 00:34:44,270
jump in and provide whatever assistance

885
00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:47,240
is needed to investigate cases everybody

886
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:49,790
takes it seriously there and it's just a

887
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:52,730
wonderful thing to observe you know it's

888
00:34:56,649 --> 00:34:54,770
such an opposite extreme from what

889
00:34:59,830 --> 00:34:56,659
obviously from what we've got going on

890
00:35:02,500 --> 00:34:59,840
here and what I intend to do is is try

891
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:02,510
to write up a paper which I would like

892
00:35:07,450 --> 00:35:04,930
to be able to use in my continuing

893
00:35:08,980 --> 00:35:07,460
explorations and trying to get something

894
00:35:11,110 --> 00:35:08,990
like this to happen here I'm gonna write

895
00:35:14,020 --> 00:35:11,120
up a paper sort of describing how the

896
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:14,030
Chilean agency operates because I do

897
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:15,890
think it's exemplary for the world and I

898
00:35:19,090 --> 00:35:17,510
think it's a model that a lot of other

899
00:35:21,550 --> 00:35:19,100
countries could benefit from

900
00:35:22,990 --> 00:35:21,560
understanding so that's that's IV and

901
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:23,000
then of course the French agency is very

902
00:35:26,890 --> 00:35:25,370
good too they're smaller than the

903
00:35:28,270 --> 00:35:26,900
Chilean agency I don't think they have

904
00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:28,280
the kind of support throughout the

905
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:30,740
country that Chile the Chilean agency

906
00:35:35,290 --> 00:35:32,930
has so they may be a little more

907
00:35:37,330 --> 00:35:35,300
hampered even though they have they want

908
00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:37,340
very much to do the work but they're

909
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,780
just a little more hampered I think in

910
00:35:42,580 --> 00:35:40,640
in France so it's harder but be the

911
00:35:44,290 --> 00:35:42,590
support for the agency in Chile is just

912
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:44,300
really impressive at the absolute

913
00:35:49,090 --> 00:35:46,310
highest levels about absolute highest

914
00:35:50,890 --> 00:35:49,100
levels and they're all plugged in and

915
00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:50,900
they as I said they stopped in for

916
00:35:53,740 --> 00:35:52,790
briefings from the office periodically

917
00:35:55,690 --> 00:35:53,750
and

918
00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:55,700
when somebody has an incident it

919
00:36:00,099 --> 00:35:57,710
immediately goes to that office without

920
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:00,109
any question about it does the press and

921
00:36:04,180 --> 00:36:02,330
Chile cover this a lot to you they do I

922
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:04,190
mean I think that the the the one thing

923
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:05,690
about the agency there that's called the

924
00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:07,849
sefa ah they're very careful that they

925
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:10,670
thoroughly investigate a case before it

926
00:36:14,530 --> 00:36:12,170
goes to the press so sometimes there's a

927
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:14,540
delay before the material goes out and

928
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:16,490
of course there aren't that many really

929
00:36:21,550 --> 00:36:18,650
strong cases that come in just like any

930
00:36:23,170 --> 00:36:21,560
where they'll get lots of calls and they

931
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:23,180
get photographs all the time and stuff

932
00:36:28,450 --> 00:36:25,250
but the ones that are really worth

933
00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:28,460
following up you know are not that

934
00:36:32,170 --> 00:36:29,240
common

935
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:32,180
Leslie Kane is joining us we're gonna

936
00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:34,310
have Charles Hall to discuss the

937
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:36,830
Rendlesham incident and other topics but

938
00:36:41,090 --> 00:36:38,720
right now with Jeanne and Chris you're

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in the para cast

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the same time they're restricting

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civilians rights to own and purchase

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firearms can you put two and two

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together

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rounds is reasonably priced and fully

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legal but for how long

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go to infidel body armor comm spelled

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INF i de l body armor comm infidel body

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armor just won't quit we the people grow

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cotton the weave fabric engraving can

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bed strips and fibers to protect from

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counterfeit than carding to a private

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bank having a light back at interest

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forcing taxes to surfaced at this

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capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

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stating a central bank issuing the

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981
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the liberties of the people than a

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1042
00:41:06,829 --> 00:41:04,319
this is Don Ecker and you are tuned in

1043
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:06,839
to the para cast let me tell you what

1044
00:41:12,740 --> 00:41:09,240
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

1045
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:12,750
probably won't hear anywhere else hear

1046
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:16,770
that George Noory with gene and Chris in

1047
00:41:20,809 --> 00:41:18,359
the para cast we have Leslie cane

1048
00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:20,819
investigative journalist and she's been

1049
00:41:25,819 --> 00:41:23,099
telling us about other countries where

1050
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:25,829
they take UFOs seriously particularly

1051
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,960
the government of chile and later on

1052
00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:30,000
charles halts gonna tell us about

1053
00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:32,280
Rendlesham and more this week in the

1054
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,260
power our cast by the way leslie you

1055
00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:36,960
were telling me that the people from

1056
00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:39,390
chile are coming to the united states in

1057
00:41:43,099 --> 00:41:41,640
late june to do a presentation before

1058
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,109
conference tell us more

1059
00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:44,880
yeah i mean i think this upcoming

1060
00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:47,220
conference it's one of the most special

1061
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:48,599
aspects of it

1062
00:41:54,020 --> 00:41:51,210
is that one of the top officials from

1063
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:54,030
the chilean agency as well as the top

1064
00:41:58,809 --> 00:41:56,730
official from the agency in france are

1065
00:42:02,089 --> 00:41:58,819
both coming to speak at this conference

1066
00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:02,099
which is on june 29th and june 30th and

1067
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:04,230
i'll give the website about it but the

1068
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:06,210
point being that these two guys from the

1069
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:08,940
leading agencies in the world have never

1070
00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:10,500
spoken at a UFO

1071
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:12,180
it's in America or any conference in

1072
00:42:17,780 --> 00:42:15,090
America before and let alone never been

1073
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,790
in the same conference together so as

1074
00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:19,680
far as I'm concerned I think this is one

1075
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:21,480
of the more exciting aspects about this

1076
00:42:25,340 --> 00:42:23,010
it's really historic that these two

1077
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:25,350
gentlemen are coming to this event and

1078
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:27,450
there's other speakers as well and it's

1079
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:29,130
it's a conference that's a two-day event

1080
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:32,520
in Greensboro North Carolina and the

1081
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:34,710
website address is it's the Center for

1082
00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:39,720
UFO research North Carolina see UFO RNC

1083
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:41,880
or if people go to my facebook page

1084
00:42:46,940 --> 00:42:44,820
which is just my name I have links all

1085
00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:46,950
over the place for this the website for

1086
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:48,750
this conference and I really encourage

1087
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:50,700
people to check it out anybody that's

1088
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:53,250
near North Carolina I really hope they

1089
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:55,380
will come and it's just I think it's a

1090
00:43:01,090 --> 00:42:57,450
rare kind of conference because it

1091
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:01,100
includes serious scientific people and

1092
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:04,890
including two PhD professors from

1093
00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:06,780
universities in the United States we've

1094
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:09,630
got dr. Richard Haines from NAR kapu who

1095
00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:11,850
rarely will go to a conference so it's

1096
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:14,220
an opportunity to see him and general de

1097
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:16,290
Brouwer coming from Belgium to talk

1098
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:18,330
about the Belgian wave and you know one

1099
00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:19,650
of the there's going to be new

1100
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:21,270
information presented by these people

1101
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:23,610
too for instance the Belgian wave you

1102
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:24,900
know had that very famous photograph

1103
00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:27,240
from piti Russia which has since turned

1104
00:43:31,850 --> 00:43:29,640
out to be a hoax which was a terrible

1105
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:31,860
development a couple of years ago so um

1106
00:43:36,830 --> 00:43:33,690
one of the things de Brouwer will do is

1107
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:36,840
update us on that situation and who else

1108
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:37,920
is coming

1109
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:40,410
I'm just of course got Charles halt the

1110
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:41,850
Charles hold of course and he's going to

1111
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:43,110
give and he's you know there's there's

1112
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:44,970
constantly new information on the

1113
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:46,890
Rendlesham case coming out which he's

1114
00:43:49,940 --> 00:43:48,570
going to bring forward and you know many

1115
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:49,950
of the people coming I think will never

1116
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:52,800
have heard him before so I think um

1117
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:54,570
there'll be a lot of really great

1118
00:43:59,360 --> 00:43:56,370
lectures and they're both you know

1119
00:44:00,680 --> 00:43:59,370
exciting but also very authoritative I

1120
00:44:03,860 --> 00:44:00,690
mean you know the information you're

1121
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:03,870
getting here is reliable general Parviz

1122
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:08,310
Jafari also from the 1976 incident over

1123
00:44:13,310 --> 00:44:11,370
Iran the dog fight over r-n he is going

1124
00:44:14,810 --> 00:44:13,320
to be coming and to talk about what it

1125
00:44:19,220 --> 00:44:14,820
was like for him to be piloting an

1126
00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:19,230
airforce plane in 1976 when he was a CI

1127
00:44:24,220 --> 00:44:21,780
Ganic UFO shot projectiles towards his

1128
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,230
aircraft and he lost control of his

1129
00:44:28,579 --> 00:44:26,400
his equipment at the last minute when

1130
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:28,589
he's trying to defend himself so a lot

1131
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:31,290
of and he became a general afterwards so

1132
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:33,420
we have I think of a very great group of

1133
00:44:38,570 --> 00:44:36,720
people and it's a rare a rare event I

1134
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:38,580
think and its kind of seriousness and

1135
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:41,010
also in its international aspect it's

1136
00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:43,650
being hosted and really produced by a

1137
00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:47,070
man named Kent Center who is has been

1138
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:49,560
involved with MUFON for decades and he

1139
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:52,050
has actually has a serious problem with

1140
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:53,940
cancer right now and this is sort of

1141
00:45:00,109 --> 00:44:57,510
he's got you know a terminal disease and

1142
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:00,119
this is his great wish has been to

1143
00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:03,839
produce a very serious UFO conference

1144
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:06,030
and he's just working incredibly hard

1145
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:08,730
and he's just unbelievable to me what

1146
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:10,200
he's been able to accomplish to make

1147
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:12,089
this happen and it's really because of

1148
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:13,560
him that it's happening so and I

1149
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:15,330
basically just been a consultant for him

1150
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:16,890
but he's the guy that's putting the

1151
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:18,780
whole thing together we have to be

1152
00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:21,000
grateful for all his hard work I have

1153
00:45:25,070 --> 00:45:22,740
the information here it's going to be at

1154
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:25,080
the War Memorial Auditorium Greensboro

1155
00:45:31,070 --> 00:45:28,200
North Carolina Saturday and Sunday June

1156
00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:31,080
29th and 30th and according to this you

1157
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:33,180
can actually go to Ticketmaster to order

1158
00:45:36,260 --> 00:45:34,530
tickets which makes it really easy

1159
00:45:37,970 --> 00:45:36,270
because you don't have to even remember

1160
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:37,980
the site you can just go to Ticketmaster

1161
00:45:44,359 --> 00:45:42,930
and look it up or see UF o RN C comm

1162
00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:44,369
will have links over at the power cast

1163
00:45:50,060 --> 00:45:46,460
comm or check well as Lee's canes

1164
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:50,070
Facebook site to learn more just to add

1165
00:45:53,780 --> 00:45:52,290
this that I'll be there signing my book

1166
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,790
and what's kind of amazing for people

1167
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,920
who you know like my book is that five

1168
00:45:59,540 --> 00:45:57,599
of the contributors who actually wrote

1169
00:46:01,280 --> 00:45:59,550
chapters in my book are going to be

1170
00:46:03,710 --> 00:46:01,290
there so it's an opportunity to get

1171
00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:03,720
signatures from not just me in the book

1172
00:46:06,980 --> 00:46:05,670
but the incredible people who have

1173
00:46:09,380 --> 00:46:06,990
written chapters for it and to get

1174
00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:09,390
signatures from the French and Chilean

1175
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:11,880
officials as well so I think that's

1176
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:13,650
special and also we have a science

1177
00:46:19,339 --> 00:46:16,970
lecture Saturday night which is

1178
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:19,349
astronomy-sized Jeffrey Bennett who is

1179
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:22,020
not at all a UFO guy he's coming in just

1180
00:46:26,270 --> 00:46:24,330
to talk about the scientific search for

1181
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:26,280
extraterrestrial life and and all the

1182
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:28,050
implications of that and what science is

1183
00:46:32,660 --> 00:46:30,839
doing and what the Kepler satellites are

1184
00:46:34,339 --> 00:46:32,670
discovering about exoplanets all the

1185
00:46:35,810 --> 00:46:34,349
earth-like planets out there and that

1186
00:46:36,980 --> 00:46:35,820
kind of stuff which I find extremely

1187
00:46:37,630 --> 00:46:36,990
fascinating

1188
00:46:39,250 --> 00:46:37,640
so that

1189
00:46:40,210 --> 00:46:39,260
sort of a special science lecture that

1190
00:46:42,250 --> 00:46:40,220
we're having in the middle of the

1191
00:46:44,410 --> 00:46:42,260
conference as well well of course if

1192
00:46:46,839 --> 00:46:44,420
UFOs are et they really are you team

1193
00:46:48,490 --> 00:46:46,849
obviously here at the power cast we

1194
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,500
still say the jury is out as to what

1195
00:46:54,339 --> 00:46:50,960
UFOs really are we don't know yet but

1196
00:46:56,380 --> 00:46:54,349
they are et certainly it's become easier

1197
00:46:58,990 --> 00:46:56,390
to accept because of the discovery of

1198
00:47:01,120 --> 00:46:59,000
possible earth-like planets around the

1199
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,130
galaxy we have a bunch of questions

1200
00:47:05,710 --> 00:47:03,920
Leslie of you and later on if Charles

1201
00:47:08,799 --> 00:47:05,720
halt but I wanted to get a few of them

1202
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,809
in before we continue Chris yeah Leslie

1203
00:47:12,730 --> 00:47:10,400
I'm what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna

1204
00:47:14,769 --> 00:47:12,740
combine a number of these questions

1205
00:47:18,339 --> 00:47:14,779
together in the kind of groups and sort

1206
00:47:20,980 --> 00:47:18,349
of generalize the question for the sake

1207
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,990
of brevity here one thing that people

1208
00:47:25,150 --> 00:47:22,880
are very interested in is well the last

1209
00:47:27,130 --> 00:47:25,160
time that you are on the podcast but

1210
00:47:30,670 --> 00:47:27,140
with a lot of enthusiasm you talked

1211
00:47:33,579 --> 00:47:30,680
about a some sort of a liaison program

1212
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:33,589
that you thought would be a perfect way

1213
00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:35,450
to possibly move this whole subject

1214
00:47:42,099 --> 00:47:38,140
forward how much progress have we seen

1215
00:47:43,450 --> 00:47:42,109
on this idea of creating an Eleison

1216
00:47:47,259 --> 00:47:43,460
program and who have you talked to

1217
00:47:49,089 --> 00:47:47,269
obviously you mentioned Podesta you've

1218
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:49,099
mentioned several people do you want to

1219
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:50,480
give us kind of an update on how that

1220
00:47:55,210 --> 00:47:53,119
particular effort is going but yeah by

1221
00:47:59,130 --> 00:47:55,220
Eleison program you mean a government

1222
00:48:01,960 --> 00:47:59,140
office within the US government correct

1223
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:01,970
moving it to to the next level of trying

1224
00:48:06,730 --> 00:48:03,890
to get people to be on the same page

1225
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,740
with this obviously the government it

1226
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,720
would be the ultimate coup if we could

1227
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:10,640
get some sort of program like they you

1228
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,400
described in Chile but but have you done

1229
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:15,440
any behind-the-scenes sort of moving and

1230
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:16,910
shaking in this regard because you are

1231
00:48:21,549 --> 00:48:19,369
you are very well considered out there

1232
00:48:23,859 --> 00:48:21,559
and and I think a lot of people were

1233
00:48:26,140 --> 00:48:23,869
very taken by your idea of creating this

1234
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:26,150
there's some some sort of lays on

1235
00:48:31,299 --> 00:48:29,450
program or at least an approach to to

1236
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:31,309
take to the government with this yeah I

1237
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:34,609
mean I what happened I did you know have

1238
00:48:38,859 --> 00:48:36,529
this briefing that we mentioned earlier

1239
00:48:40,539 --> 00:48:38,869
in 2011 and then there was the election

1240
00:48:42,819 --> 00:48:40,549
so a lot of it sort of had to go on hold

1241
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:42,829
during the throughout the election

1242
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:46,609
process and now I am going to get back

1243
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:49,130
into sort of trying to take some more

1244
00:48:54,420 --> 00:48:51,490
steps in Washington it's very

1245
00:48:56,010 --> 00:48:54,430
is behind-the-scenes but basically it's

1246
00:48:58,590 --> 00:48:56,020
just about networking with the right

1247
00:49:00,450 --> 00:48:58,600
people and seeing if the right people

1248
00:49:01,950 --> 00:49:00,460
are willing to go to the other right

1249
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:01,960
person that might be a little higher up

1250
00:49:08,340 --> 00:49:05,650
and just exploring various ways in which

1251
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:08,350
such an a staff person could actually be

1252
00:49:12,810 --> 00:49:10,090
assigned I mean I you know even if we

1253
00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:12,820
just had one staff person within the

1254
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,100
let's say the OSTP the Office of Science

1255
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:17,680
and Technology Policy that was assigned

1256
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:19,690
to manage this particular issue that

1257
00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:22,960
would be a tremendous accomplishment let

1258
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:25,150
alone an agency of you know four people

1259
00:49:30,810 --> 00:49:28,240
I don't expect that but so yeah I mean

1260
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:30,820
it's a slow process it takes a long time

1261
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:33,520
to get meetings and appointments with

1262
00:49:37,830 --> 00:49:35,950
anybody of note as you all probably know

1263
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:37,840
and so I am just sort of plugging away

1264
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:40,480
at it and basically I can hopefully

1265
00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:42,910
report back to you after certain things

1266
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:45,670
happen but not before well that implies

1267
00:49:51,570 --> 00:49:49,200
certain things might happen which might

1268
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:51,580
do you think that the current circus in

1269
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:53,680
Washington where they can't think about

1270
00:49:59,070 --> 00:49:56,530
anything else more than the IRS more

1271
00:50:01,830 --> 00:49:59,080
than Benghazi or about the most

1272
00:50:05,010 --> 00:50:01,840
troubling aspect of all tapping phones

1273
00:50:06,570 --> 00:50:05,020
or checking out logs of reporters do you

1274
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,580
think that's making it more difficult to

1275
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:08,800
get serious attention to other subjects

1276
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:11,770
I don't know I'm not sure I completely

1277
00:50:16,350 --> 00:50:13,650
understand the question but I mean I I

1278
00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:16,360
respect the fact that people in

1279
00:50:20,370 --> 00:50:18,280
Washington and in government or have

1280
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:20,380
many many important issues on their

1281
00:50:24,750 --> 00:50:23,410
plate I suppose they also waste time

1282
00:50:27,210 --> 00:50:24,760
with things that maybe people don't

1283
00:50:29,070 --> 00:50:27,220
think are so important but I don't think

1284
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:29,080
there anything's different in that

1285
00:50:31,980 --> 00:50:30,640
regard I mean I'm not sure I completely

1286
00:50:34,260 --> 00:50:31,990
understand what that question is getting

1287
00:50:35,790 --> 00:50:34,270
at well maybe whether the fact that so

1288
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:35,800
much attention is being focused on all

1289
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,280
this scandal douche or whatever real or

1290
00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:41,520
imagined was something else all right

1291
00:50:49,350 --> 00:50:45,550
does it take attention away from other

1292
00:50:50,670 --> 00:50:49,360
pursuits i I just don't know I mean I

1293
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:50,680
think it's par for the course that those

1294
00:50:55,740 --> 00:50:52,810
things always go on it's just part of

1295
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:55,750
the scene whether it takes attention

1296
00:51:00,380 --> 00:50:57,850
away from something else I I just I

1297
00:51:05,089 --> 00:51:00,390
wouldn't know how to answer that sorry

1298
00:51:06,980 --> 00:51:05,099
oh maybe you guys can I mean don't get

1299
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:06,990
me started about politicians boy is

1300
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:10,710
always more going on than then one can

1301
00:51:14,809 --> 00:51:12,450
ever imagine you know there's

1302
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:14,819
everybody's overwhelmed in Washington

1303
00:51:19,789 --> 00:51:17,640
and that's always the case no matter

1304
00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:19,799
what the issues are there's always

1305
00:51:26,029 --> 00:51:23,460
things going on so I don't know really

1306
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:26,039
well maybe there's a lot of overwhelmed

1307
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:27,599
people in Washington that are owning

1308
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:30,089
such terms of their performance we're

1309
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:31,980
going to be overwhelming our sponsors if

1310
00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:34,529
I don't do this break Leslie Cain is

1311
00:51:38,180 --> 00:51:36,599
joining us we have Charles Hall joining

1312
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,190
us a little bit later with Jeanne and

1313
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:40,319
Chris you're in are you tired of

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welcome back into the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's Jane Steinberg with Gian Chris

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00:54:17,490 --> 00:54:14,590
and the power cast Charles halt joining

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00:54:20,609 --> 00:54:17,500
us in a few more segments Lesley Kane is

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00:54:23,460 --> 00:54:20,619
answering your questions Chris has mine

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through the various queries in our

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00:54:28,770 --> 00:54:26,050
question Bank area of forum dr. Peric

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00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:28,780
ascom he's trying to combine questions

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00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:32,230
keep them within a specific topic range

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00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:34,330
so we don't get overwhelmed Chris what's

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00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:36,700
next there are some questions that have

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00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:38,590
to do with your own personal beliefs

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00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:41,680
around this or your intuition possibly

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around this this subject and here's a

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00:54:48,090 --> 00:54:46,000
pretty good question from Ezekiel I

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00:54:49,859 --> 00:54:48,100
think he kind of hit the nail on the

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00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:49,869
head I'm possibly how to pose this

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00:54:55,590 --> 00:54:52,330
question to you what is your opinion in

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00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:55,600
evolving around the UAP subject or UFO's

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00:54:59,280 --> 00:54:57,490
where do you position yourself on a

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00:55:01,650 --> 00:54:59,290
scale of one to ten one being the

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00:55:03,780 --> 00:55:01,660
phenomena somehow originates from Earth

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and ten being that it's extraterrestrial

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00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:06,550
and has this this view or intuition or

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00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:10,240
or kind of opinion has it shifted since

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00:55:13,650 --> 00:55:12,130
your book has come out um well no I

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00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:13,660
wouldn't say my opinion has shifted at

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00:55:18,060 --> 00:55:15,730
all since the book has come out I mean

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the more I learn the more I realize that

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we have a real phenomenon that we can't

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00:55:25,470 --> 00:55:23,740
explain I can say that but um scale of

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one to ten I don't know maybe fifty

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fifty you know the point is that my

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00:55:31,260 --> 00:55:29,380
personal beliefs are not really what's

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important here I don't you know I'm just

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one person I may have an opinion which

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is really no more valid than somebody

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else's opinion because it's just an

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opinion

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what's important is what do we know what

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do we not know about UFOs and that's

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what I like to focus on and you know I

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00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:48,580
don't think what I happen to think they

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00:55:57,810 --> 00:55:50,650
might be is that important in the scheme

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00:55:59,280 --> 00:55:57,820
of things you're supposed to be

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00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,290
objective so it's really hard for you

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00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,359
guys I mean you say one way or another

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00:56:04,890 --> 00:56:03,280
and without sounding like you're biased

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00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:04,900
I need to keep myself in the

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00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:06,910
journalistic frame of mind when I'm

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00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:09,010
talking publicly about this the subject

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00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:10,660
the way it is you know well here's

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00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:12,130
another question from Ezekiel and this

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00:56:17,130 --> 00:56:14,260
is a good one it has to do with these

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00:56:18,930 --> 00:56:17,140
deathbed confessions the philip corso is

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out there there was a bit of a buzz

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00:56:24,270 --> 00:56:22,840
around richard Dolan's video of this new

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00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:24,280
anonymous source that's come forward

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00:56:27,870 --> 00:56:26,170
evidently he had contacted Linda Howe

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back in the early to mid 90s

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she called him Cooper or Cooper what do

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00:56:35,370 --> 00:56:33,880
you make of these types of claims and

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00:56:37,650 --> 00:56:35,380
and and do you think that you know this

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00:56:39,450 --> 00:56:37,660
whole idea that they're asserting is

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that the executive branch isn't being

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00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:40,930
briefed on extraterrestrial

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00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,510
quote-unquote affairs and do you think

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00:56:50,070 --> 00:56:45,760
people like Corso and this Cooper should

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00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:50,080
be excluded from the conversation should

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00:56:55,230 --> 00:56:52,450
we somehow vet these people better

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00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:55,240
before we sensationalize their claims

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00:56:59,250 --> 00:56:57,040
how do you where do you come down on

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00:57:01,290 --> 00:56:59,260
that well I mean as a journalist the

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00:57:03,630 --> 00:57:01,300
problem I have with the claims is that

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00:57:05,780 --> 00:57:03,640
it's one person telling a story that

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00:57:08,370 --> 00:57:05,790
they can't back up yes it might be

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00:57:10,650 --> 00:57:08,380
fascinating and yes it might even be

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00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,660
true but if they don't if they can't

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00:57:14,430 --> 00:57:12,880
corroborate it in some way with some you

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00:57:17,490 --> 00:57:14,440
know by other witnesses or through

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00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:17,500
documents or whatever it's not useful I

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00:57:21,540 --> 00:57:19,150
just can't make use of it as a

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00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:21,550
journalist because it's just one person

1441
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:23,410
telling a story and so it's not

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00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:24,640
something you can really bring to the

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00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:26,710
table if you're trying to make a case

1444
00:57:31,110 --> 00:57:29,290
for UFO evidence and you know there's no

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00:57:33,210 --> 00:57:31,120
way to know whether the guy is legit or

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00:57:33,780 --> 00:57:33,220
not really and if you can't back up what

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00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:33,790
he's saying

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00:57:38,190 --> 00:57:35,710
so you there you're stuck with a story

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00:57:40,050 --> 00:57:38,200
and that's it there's certainly not

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00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:40,060
something that I work with within the

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00:57:43,980 --> 00:57:42,250
realm of material that I consider to be

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00:57:46,530 --> 00:57:43,990
important but it doesn't mean I don't

1453
00:57:48,330 --> 00:57:46,540
find them interesting but so you know so

1454
00:57:50,010 --> 00:57:48,340
you can't do anything with it I think

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00:57:52,140 --> 00:57:50,020
one of the arguments people will make is

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00:57:54,810 --> 00:57:52,150
why would they say this on their

1457
00:57:57,930 --> 00:57:54,820
deathbed knowing their time is short or

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00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,940
almost non-existent if it wasn't true I

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00:58:01,620 --> 00:57:59,920
think that's the only argument you could

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00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:01,630
say but as you say if there's no

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00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:03,670
evidence it's just somebody's story

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00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:05,770
maybe something from their family to

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00:58:09,930 --> 00:58:07,930
talk about when they remember that could

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00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:09,940
very well be true I think it's

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00:58:13,590 --> 00:58:12,640
fascinating but what can you do when you

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00:58:15,690 --> 00:58:13,600
can't prove it

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00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:15,700
that's the journalist a journalist

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00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:19,030
requires confirmation and then a third

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00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:20,890
generally a third confirmation before

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00:58:26,820 --> 00:58:22,900
before a good journalist will run with

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00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:26,830
any sort of claim or story and to other

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00:58:31,110 --> 00:58:29,110
sources and so does a member of the

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00:58:32,970 --> 00:58:31,120
political establishment who doesn't even

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00:58:35,130 --> 00:58:32,980
accept that UFOs are real yeah you know

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00:58:36,780 --> 00:58:35,140
to accept a deathbed confession talking

1476
00:58:38,340 --> 00:58:36,790
about alien bodies you know what do

1477
00:58:41,370 --> 00:58:38,350
these they're just they can't relate to

1478
00:58:44,190 --> 00:58:41,380
that unless you can prove it so you know

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00:58:45,630 --> 00:58:44,200
that's why I I don't mean to disrespect

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00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,640
those confessions and they could very

1481
00:58:49,290 --> 00:58:47,200
well be true I have no way of knowing

1482
00:58:50,250 --> 00:58:49,300
but I can't really make use of them

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00:58:52,290 --> 00:58:50,260
that's the problem

1484
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:52,300
I don't know Leslie if you had a chance

1485
00:58:57,810 --> 00:58:54,850
to see the wrap-up the final day of the

1486
00:58:59,700 --> 00:58:57,820
citizens hearing on disclosure but I

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00:59:01,710 --> 00:58:59,710
I've stated on the show that I thought

1488
00:59:04,110 --> 00:59:01,720
Paul Hellyer the former Canadian

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00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,120
Minister of National Defense his sort of

1490
00:59:08,310 --> 00:59:06,400
presentation at the end or his opinions

1491
00:59:10,370 --> 00:59:08,320
at the end where but I thought the low

1492
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:10,380
point of the whole thing quoting a

1493
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:12,370
questionable abductee and his

1494
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:14,290
conversations with aliens and what the

1495
00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:15,970
aliens are telling us and this sort of

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00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:18,190
thing and and then making the claim that

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00:59:22,050 --> 00:59:19,870
there are four different species running

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00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:22,060
around the planet on earth as eco wants

1499
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:24,490
to know what you think of of that

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00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:27,910
particular way to sum up that that event

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00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:32,230
and and and how do we curb certain you

1502
00:59:35,730 --> 00:59:34,000
know high powered individuals enthusiasm

1503
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:35,740
once they do get involved in this I mean

1504
00:59:41,370 --> 00:59:38,610
how could how can we get them not to

1505
00:59:44,130 --> 00:59:41,380
become more of a source of the problem

1506
00:59:46,530 --> 00:59:44,140
here with acceptance of this subject I

1507
00:59:49,110 --> 00:59:46,540
mean I agree with you I watched the

1508
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:49,120
Hellyer and I was absolutely shocked to

1509
00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:51,760
tell you the truth that that he with

1510
00:59:55,290 --> 00:59:53,800
what he was saying just couldn't believe

1511
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:55,300
it they would and that he was being

1512
00:59:59,760 --> 00:59:57,490
given a platform to say those things in

1513
01:00:03,480 --> 00:59:59,770
Washington you know it was just I was

1514
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:03,490
very surprised and I what can I say I

1515
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:04,450
mean I think it was entirely

1516
01:00:08,580 --> 01:00:06,250
inappropriate for him to make statements

1517
01:00:12,510 --> 01:00:08,590
like that and in Washington DC

1518
01:00:14,850 --> 01:00:12,520
etc etc so I I I was just really really

1519
01:00:17,070 --> 01:00:14,860
surprised and the only way I think we

1520
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:17,080
can curb it is to just not provide

1521
01:00:20,940 --> 01:00:18,850
platforms to people who are gonna make

1522
01:00:24,180 --> 01:00:20,950
statements like that and to be you know

1523
01:00:26,820 --> 01:00:24,190
require that before people become part

1524
01:00:28,650 --> 01:00:26,830
of an event that we know what they're

1525
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:28,660
gonna say you know to have some control

1526
01:00:33,690 --> 01:00:31,599
who's ever organizing the thing

1527
01:00:35,010 --> 01:00:33,700
so that inappropriate material is not

1528
01:00:36,930 --> 01:00:35,020
presented I mean that's the only thing

1529
01:00:38,099 --> 01:00:36,940
you can do and obviously in the citizens

1530
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:38,109
hearing there were absolutely no

1531
01:00:42,510 --> 01:00:39,970
restrictions anybody could just come in

1532
01:00:45,540 --> 01:00:42,520
and say whatever they wanted and yeah I

1533
01:00:48,180 --> 01:00:45,550
I was I have to say I was just stunned

1534
01:00:57,569 --> 01:00:48,190
when I when I heard Hellyer I don't I

1535
01:00:59,040 --> 01:00:57,579
didn't you know I tell you I was trying

1536
01:01:07,079 --> 01:00:59,050
to tickle my nose so I could come up

1537
01:01:09,210 --> 01:01:07,089
with that with the old vaudeville III I

1538
01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:09,220
was hopping mats that's standing there

1539
01:01:13,319 --> 01:01:10,990
just a few feet away from the table I

1540
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:13,329
was at the entire thing filming it for

1541
01:01:17,579 --> 01:01:16,210
the streaming and I was incensed I could

1542
01:01:19,290 --> 01:01:17,589
not believe in I saw people in the

1543
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:19,300
audience just rolling their eyes going

1544
01:01:23,579 --> 01:01:21,849
on no holding their heads no I couldn't

1545
01:01:25,859 --> 01:01:23,589
believe it I and I I think I remember

1546
01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:25,869
that I think that the panel eventually

1547
01:01:29,250 --> 01:01:28,030
had to tell him his time was almost up

1548
01:01:31,530 --> 01:01:29,260
because he was going on and on he

1549
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:31,540
started to quote bin Laden didn't he he

1550
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:33,490
started talking about 9/11 and bin Laden

1551
01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:36,130
I think I know it was all over the place

1552
01:01:41,460 --> 01:01:38,470
and you know I just with all due respect

1553
01:01:42,839 --> 01:01:41,470
it just was inappropriate for this for

1554
01:01:45,930 --> 01:01:42,849
that to have happened I mean what can I

1555
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:45,940
say they lost control before we lose

1556
01:01:50,819 --> 01:01:49,119
control another question Chris yeah this

1557
01:01:53,460 --> 01:01:50,829
is a really good one and I'd be very

1558
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:53,470
interested to hear about the response to

1559
01:01:57,809 --> 01:01:55,210
your book since it's been out this comes

1560
01:02:01,200 --> 01:01:57,819
from artyom who's a longtime poster here

1561
01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:01,210
at the Forum dot the parrot cast calm in

1562
01:02:06,210 --> 01:02:03,160
in he's given your book a five-star

1563
01:02:08,010 --> 01:02:06,220
rating at Amazon just absolutely loves

1564
01:02:09,569 --> 01:02:08,020
it and he says since the book was

1565
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:09,579
written and published what impact you

1566
01:02:13,859 --> 01:02:11,710
think it's had on people's perceptions

1567
01:02:16,349 --> 01:02:13,869
and what sort of feedback basically have

1568
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:16,359
you been getting from people well thanks

1569
01:02:20,609 --> 01:02:17,710
a lot to him

1570
01:02:22,530 --> 01:02:20,619
I continue to get very positive feedback

1571
01:02:24,329 --> 01:02:22,540
but I mean especially on Facebook you

1572
01:02:25,710 --> 01:02:24,339
know people keep writing it's plus it's

1573
01:02:27,569 --> 01:02:25,720
been translated into like eight

1574
01:02:28,890 --> 01:02:27,579
languages around the world so it's it's

1575
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:28,900
getting more and more play in other

1576
01:02:34,859 --> 01:02:31,119
countries including China and Brazil and

1577
01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:34,869
some pretty big countries Germany and I

1578
01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:37,510
think what matters the most to me is

1579
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:39,849
when somebody says to me which happens

1580
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:42,490
quite frequently that so-and-so who they

1581
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:44,230
know was a total skeptic about this

1582
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:44,890
issues one

1583
01:02:48,690 --> 01:02:46,210
woman just wrote me on Facebook actually

1584
01:02:50,910 --> 01:02:48,700
she said my husband is never he's always

1585
01:02:52,410 --> 01:02:50,920
thought this issue was bunk and he read

1586
01:02:54,780 --> 01:02:52,420
your book and he's now completely

1587
01:02:57,090 --> 01:02:54,790
changed his position and I think that's

1588
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:57,100
really this book is useful for

1589
01:03:01,020 --> 01:02:58,960
persuading people who would otherwise

1590
01:03:02,490 --> 01:03:01,030
not take the subject seriously but when

1591
01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:02,500
they're just exposed to what's out there

1592
01:03:06,450 --> 01:03:04,750
all over the internet you know and that

1593
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:06,460
makes that's really satisfying to me and

1594
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:08,050
I think it continues to happen that

1595
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:09,760
people are continuing to read it it's

1596
01:03:14,820 --> 01:03:12,160
still selling fairly well on Amazon and

1597
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:14,830
that it's still influencing people and

1598
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:16,810
that makes me very happy and you know I

1599
01:03:20,990 --> 01:03:18,730
do get also quite a lot of letters from

1600
01:03:23,070 --> 01:03:21,000
witnesses people that want to share

1601
01:03:25,350 --> 01:03:23,080
sightings with me sometimes they're

1602
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:25,360
military people that have never really

1603
01:03:28,410 --> 01:03:27,010
felt comfortable or never felt they had

1604
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:28,420
anybody before that they felt

1605
01:03:32,490 --> 01:03:30,850
comfortable talking about this with so I

1606
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:32,500
mean that happens to me quite a lot

1607
01:03:37,380 --> 01:03:35,050
we'll have Charles Hall joining us after

1608
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:37,390
the next segment Lesley Cain with Gene

1609
01:03:48,490 --> 01:03:40,880
and Kris you're in the para cast

1610
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:48,500
[Music]

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attack of the rock AIDS has been

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Charles Hall joining us in the next

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segment where we focus on Rendlesham

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Chris more questions

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sure gene this one comes from Ellen Dale

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who's a longtime poster at the forum dr.

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Perik asked calm and this involves that

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01:08:49,599 --> 01:08:47,810
really interesting controversy

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surrounding the military parade down in

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Santiago with what some people feel were

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01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:54,890
two objects flying by have you heard any

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01:08:59,320 --> 01:08:56,810
sort of developments on the analysis of

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01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:59,330
that film and what you know what can we

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01:09:02,860 --> 01:09:00,799
take from that was it just a couple of

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insects flying by or were they actually

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high strange objects traveling at

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hypersonic speed

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well that's it's a really interesting

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01:09:11,289 --> 01:09:09,049
question as and I've been fascinated by

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01:09:12,579 --> 01:09:11,299
that case and in case your questioner

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01:09:14,410 --> 01:09:12,589
probably knows that I have three

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01:09:16,450 --> 01:09:14,420
articles about it on the Huffington Post

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01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:16,460
website so I hope anybody is curious

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01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:18,049
will go there and read those articles

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01:09:22,269 --> 01:09:20,330
you know the the essence of that case is

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01:09:24,430 --> 01:09:22,279
really that it's not solved because

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01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:24,440
there's probably been about five or six

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scientists between the scientists and in

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01:09:31,300 --> 01:09:29,719
Chile and two scientists in America who

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01:09:33,700 --> 01:09:31,310
did in-depth studies of that footage

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01:09:36,579 --> 01:09:33,710
they all have different conclusions

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01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:36,589
which I find absolutely fascinating some

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01:09:39,970 --> 01:09:37,850
think it's it definitely could not

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01:09:41,890 --> 01:09:39,980
possibly be an insect that it was

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01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:41,900
anomalous some kind of anomalous object

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01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:43,489
and they state their reasons why and

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01:09:50,050 --> 01:09:46,250
others state they think it was most

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likely an insect and here's why so it's

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01:09:54,580 --> 01:09:53,029
it's a mystery and I think people have

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to make up their own minds basically I

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mean in in my opinion if you look at a

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video of an insect flying which I have

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put inside

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01:10:05,770 --> 01:10:03,850
one of my Huffington Post stories a

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Beatle is what it would most

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01:10:08,860 --> 01:10:07,310
likely have been because it had kind of

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a curved back and I talked to all these

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01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:10,730
entomologists about it too and I said if

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this was an insect what species would it

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be in Santiago at this time of year and

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the only one they could come up with it

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was this tiny little ladybug which was

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you know it's a smaller than the

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fingernail of your pinkie and I looked

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01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:25,159
at videos of what this ladybug looks

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01:10:29,290 --> 01:10:27,110
like when it's flying and it has this

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01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:29,300
contraption over its head that's that's

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up there all the time even when its

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wings are flapping and you have to you

1779
01:10:36,450 --> 01:10:34,070
have to go on my article but it doesn't

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01:10:40,270 --> 01:10:36,460
look at all like the the thing at

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01:10:41,979 --> 01:10:40,280
Santiago's so who knows I mean I you

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01:10:43,899 --> 01:10:41,989
know I think it's it's just a

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01:10:46,209 --> 01:10:43,909
fascinating case because the video is so

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01:10:47,860 --> 01:10:46,219
clear we have great stills of this

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01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:47,870
object the object showed up in two

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01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:50,570
different flybys looking exactly the

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01:10:55,870 --> 01:10:52,850
same at the same angle even to the

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01:10:57,580 --> 01:10:55,880
camera you know the likelihood of it

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01:10:59,950 --> 01:10:57,590
being an insect to me doesn't seem high

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but I'm not a photo analyst so I'm gonna

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defer to the analysts who have studied

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01:11:06,729 --> 01:11:04,489
the footage and as I said our

1793
01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:06,739
conclusions don't always agree so there

1794
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:09,710
we are that's true let the experts come

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01:11:14,370 --> 01:11:12,650
up with the analysis and conclusions on

1796
01:11:16,689 --> 01:11:14,380
that and I agree I think we should leave

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01:11:19,330 --> 01:11:16,699
some of this work to the professionals

1798
01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:19,340
who I think we need more of in this

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01:11:23,380 --> 01:11:20,870
field I don't think there's enough

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01:11:24,340 --> 01:11:23,390
quality analytical people involved in

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01:11:26,860 --> 01:11:24,350
this field that's my own personal

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01:11:28,510 --> 01:11:26,870
opinion with the exception of Bruce

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01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:28,520
Maccabee Jeff sanyo and a couple of

1804
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:29,650
others I mean there's there's really

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01:11:34,689 --> 01:11:33,110
nobody that you can really go to well in

1806
01:11:37,149 --> 01:11:34,699
this case so we had Bruce Maccabee and

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01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:37,159
Richard Haines both did in-depth studies

1808
01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:38,570
for that footage and they're both posted

1809
01:11:42,220 --> 01:11:40,310
on their websites and I wrote an article

1810
01:11:43,419 --> 01:11:42,230
which sort of summarized their findings

1811
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:43,429
and the interesting thing is that they

1812
01:11:48,970 --> 01:11:44,320
came up with different conclusions

1813
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:48,980
looking at the same material so I guess

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01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:50,810
it's still an anomaly the object you

1815
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:52,250
could see oh that's true it's

1816
01:11:56,500 --> 01:11:54,890
controversial whether it could be a bug

1817
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:56,510
and I think if you go and look at some

1818
01:12:00,880 --> 01:11:59,360
some images of bugs bugs you know

1819
01:12:02,350 --> 01:12:00,890
there's a lot of stuff about what it

1820
01:12:04,060 --> 01:12:02,360
would look like if it really were a bug

1821
01:12:05,919 --> 01:12:04,070
I personally don't think it looks much

1822
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:05,929
like the object that in question but

1823
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:08,480
again I have to defer to the people who

1824
01:12:13,930 --> 01:12:11,510
studied it so well if it's real yeah it

1825
01:12:14,979 --> 01:12:13,940
definitely does say something about the

1826
01:12:17,410 --> 01:12:14,989
brazenness of the

1827
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:17,420
it's willing to go anywhere and do

1828
01:12:20,610 --> 01:12:19,010
anything at any time boy I'll tell you

1829
01:12:23,860 --> 01:12:20,620
there was a lot of a lot of hardware

1830
01:12:26,770 --> 01:12:23,870
present that day here's another question

1831
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:26,780
that again you know we at the pair of

1832
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:29,120
Cass pride ourselves in having us

1833
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:31,040
well-rounded a listening audience as a

1834
01:12:34,660 --> 01:12:32,510
show like this could possibly ever want

1835
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:34,670
we do have a lot of skeptical people

1836
01:12:39,010 --> 01:12:37,310
that tune into our show because we do

1837
01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:39,020
attempt to be as objective as possible

1838
01:12:43,570 --> 01:12:41,510
about the subjects we cover here and and

1839
01:12:45,850 --> 01:12:43,580
that this question has come up several

1840
01:12:48,250 --> 01:12:45,860
in several different ways on at the

1841
01:12:50,530 --> 01:12:48,260
forum dr. Peres cast comm and that is

1842
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:50,540
how would you just respond to the old

1843
01:12:55,450 --> 01:12:53,450
debunkers question why don't we in this

1844
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:55,460
day and age with so many cameras and

1845
01:12:59,020 --> 01:12:57,050
cell phones around have any clear

1846
01:13:01,180 --> 01:12:59,030
footage of UFOs or related phenomenon

1847
01:13:03,580 --> 01:13:01,190
and this goes right to the to the last

1848
01:13:06,010 --> 01:13:03,590
question of you know this sort of

1849
01:13:07,959 --> 01:13:06,020
ephemeral way that these things show up

1850
01:13:10,330 --> 01:13:07,969
we don't have any clear concrete

1851
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:10,340
cut-and-dried evidence why is that with

1852
01:13:13,870 --> 01:13:12,170
all these cell phones and and cameras

1853
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:13,880
around now yeah I mean it's it's a great

1854
01:13:18,459 --> 01:13:16,130
question and I think the point is we do

1855
01:13:20,140 --> 01:13:18,469
have some very good and very clear

1856
01:13:22,450 --> 01:13:20,150
photographs of UFOs that have been

1857
01:13:23,740 --> 01:13:22,460
analyzed in labs I mean I've got some of

1858
01:13:25,810 --> 01:13:23,750
them in my book but let's say we've got

1859
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:25,820
maybe five or six that are really we

1860
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:28,489
really really seem to be legit one of

1861
01:13:31,810 --> 01:13:29,810
the reasons I think is that when a

1862
01:13:33,459 --> 01:13:31,820
witness is observing a UFO and I've

1863
01:13:35,979 --> 01:13:33,469
talked to so many people who have told

1864
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:35,989
me the same thing if they see something

1865
01:13:39,220 --> 01:13:37,610
going by and they're like totally

1866
01:13:40,630 --> 01:13:39,230
awestruck they're staring at it they

1867
01:13:42,490 --> 01:13:40,640
don't want to take their eyes off it

1868
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:42,500
they know it they only have like 15

1869
01:13:46,060 --> 01:13:44,090
seconds and the things going to be gone

1870
01:13:48,220 --> 01:13:46,070
the last thing they think about is

1871
01:13:49,540 --> 01:13:48,230
trying to find their camera or or you

1872
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:49,550
know take a picture of it they're just

1873
01:13:55,090 --> 01:13:52,489
too fixated on it I think that's one of

1874
01:13:56,650 --> 01:13:55,100
the reasons but again nowadays we have

1875
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:56,660
people with cell phones right in their

1876
01:14:01,450 --> 01:13:59,120
pockets so I think there are a lot more

1877
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:01,460
pictures and videos being taken I mean I

1878
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:03,650
see things every day you know that the

1879
01:14:08,110 --> 01:14:06,320
people post and so on the problem is so

1880
01:14:09,790 --> 01:14:08,120
you have a video of something first of

1881
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:09,800
all none of them are spectacular

1882
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:11,600
close-ups you know of what we'd really

1883
01:14:15,729 --> 01:14:13,489
want of some physical craft it's really

1884
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:15,739
obvious but even the ones that are

1885
01:14:19,870 --> 01:14:18,080
decent there's nobody to analyze them I

1886
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:19,880
mean they they just get thrown up on the

1887
01:14:22,510 --> 01:14:20,480
Internet

1888
01:14:24,190 --> 01:14:22,520
one person has fitty videotapes

1889
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:24,200
something and it's like what can you do

1890
01:14:27,910 --> 01:14:26,330
with that kind of thing so I think it's

1891
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:27,920
a combination of things but they're

1892
01:14:30,910 --> 01:14:28,400
certainly

1893
01:14:32,830 --> 01:14:30,920
are a lot more people taking videos now

1894
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:32,840
and taking photographs and I'm just sort

1895
01:14:37,300 --> 01:14:35,449
of waiting for one to come along but you

1896
01:14:39,220 --> 01:14:37,310
know but the UFOs don't come that close

1897
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:39,230
you take out a cell phone the camera the

1898
01:14:42,430 --> 01:14:40,610
quality's not going to be very good

1899
01:14:44,590 --> 01:14:42,440
right that's the other problem

1900
01:14:46,209 --> 01:14:44,600
yeah that is it's just not gonna be good

1901
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:46,219
I mean and so you know maybe one day

1902
01:14:50,410 --> 01:14:48,530
this is gonna be a low flying UFO cuz

1903
01:14:52,780 --> 01:14:50,420
people do see them sometimes very low

1904
01:14:55,450 --> 01:14:52,790
down but they're usually just so freaked

1905
01:14:57,399 --> 01:14:55,460
out or awestruck or terrified or

1906
01:14:59,530 --> 01:14:57,409
whatever that they don't take a picture

1907
01:15:02,290 --> 01:14:59,540
in addition to that sometimes they'll

1908
01:15:04,060 --> 01:15:02,300
they'll even have a malfunction or the

1909
01:15:06,030 --> 01:15:04,070
battery will all of a sudden be dead I

1910
01:15:08,890 --> 01:15:06,040
hate when that happens

1911
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:08,900
the picture will just be a blaze of

1912
01:15:12,189 --> 01:15:10,640
light it'll be you know the radiation

1913
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,199
will ruin the image like what happened

1914
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:13,760
with Jim peniston's picture of the

1915
01:15:17,470 --> 01:15:15,650
object at Rendlesham I mean maybe the

1916
01:15:19,540 --> 01:15:17,480
picture it doesn't come out it's a very

1917
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:19,550
legitimate question I puzzled by it

1918
01:15:23,410 --> 01:15:21,170
myself I think there are all these

1919
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:23,420
reasons but it still seems like there

1920
01:15:27,550 --> 01:15:25,760
should be something we do have great

1921
01:15:29,620 --> 01:15:27,560
pictures though I mean when people say

1922
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:29,630
we don't have them they're all fuzzy the

1923
01:15:33,610 --> 01:15:31,489
debunkers always like to say we have

1924
01:15:35,260 --> 01:15:33,620
nothing but fuzzy pictures of lights in

1925
01:15:37,630 --> 01:15:35,270
the sky well that isn't true and the

1926
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:37,640
photograph from Costa Rica is an example

1927
01:15:41,290 --> 01:15:39,770
that I think is one of the best

1928
01:15:43,450 --> 01:15:41,300
photographs we've got and it's

1929
01:15:45,490 --> 01:15:43,460
absolutely legit because it was taken by

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01:15:47,860 --> 01:15:45,500
from a government airplane government

1931
01:15:49,930 --> 01:15:47,870
mapping plane in Costa Rica and it's

1932
01:15:51,970 --> 01:15:49,940
crystal clear crystal clear because it

1933
01:15:52,990 --> 01:15:51,980
was on a large negative and at this I

1934
01:15:57,370 --> 01:15:53,000
don't know if you're familiar with the

1935
01:16:03,720 --> 01:15:57,380
picture but I have it in mojo yeah with

1936
01:16:08,169 --> 01:16:06,669
there yeah yeah hooray stanford has

1937
01:16:10,060 --> 01:16:08,179
looked at it and thinks he's come up

1938
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:10,070
with a possible explanation for it but

1939
01:16:13,300 --> 01:16:11,690
but it is you're right it is crystal

1940
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:13,310
clear and we should be able to glean

1941
01:16:17,709 --> 01:16:15,679
some really good information from it I'd

1942
01:16:20,380 --> 01:16:17,719
like to see more analysis done on that

1943
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:20,390
and and somebody really really take that

1944
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,489
image apart Leigh Ann Haynes did it did

1945
01:16:25,570 --> 01:16:24,320
a study on it but I don't know if

1946
01:16:27,820 --> 01:16:25,580
there's but I'm interested in didn't

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know what race Stanford's was yep okay

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we have Charles Hall coming up in our

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next segment with Leslie Cain with gene

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we're joined this segment on the power

2058
01:21:16,850 --> 01:21:14,790
cast with Jen and Chris by Colonel

2059
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:16,860
Charles halt we're going to ask him some

2060
01:21:21,620 --> 01:21:19,199
key questions about the Rendlesham case

2061
01:21:22,370 --> 01:21:21,630
and also we're gonna ask your questions

2062
01:21:25,250 --> 01:21:22,380
from the audience

2063
01:21:27,050 --> 01:21:25,260
Leslie cane stays on and she's going to

2064
01:21:29,330 --> 01:21:27,060
contribute some of her observations

2065
01:21:31,790 --> 01:21:29,340
maybe a few questions Colonel halt

2066
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:31,800
welcome to the power cast well thank you

2067
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:33,690
we're glad to have you here after all

2068
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:36,210
these years and I think the first

2069
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:37,890
question they ask because a lot of our

2070
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:39,090
listeners have heard about the render

2071
01:21:43,820 --> 01:21:41,489
stream case are there things you can

2072
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:43,830
tell us that people tend to get wrong or

2073
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:47,010
don't understand about the case how much

2074
01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:52,560
time do you have information and just

2075
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:55,110
information out there a lot of skeptics

2076
01:21:59,209 --> 01:21:56,850
don't know or understand the whole

2077
01:22:01,310 --> 01:21:59,219
scenario I guess is the best way to put

2078
01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:01,320
it and they shoot from the hip well

2079
01:22:07,729 --> 01:22:05,100
let's do our best okay okay so give us a

2080
01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:07,739
few key areas where we're getting it

2081
01:22:12,650 --> 01:22:10,260
wrong about Randall I keep hearing this

2082
01:22:14,630 --> 01:22:12,660
lighthouse stuff you know I could see

2083
01:22:16,220 --> 01:22:14,640
the lighthouse the lighthouse was

2084
01:22:17,870 --> 01:22:16,230
visible once we got to the edge of the

2085
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:17,880
farmer's field it was off to the right

2086
01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:19,290
about 30 degrees

2087
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:21,380
I saw the object in the field between

2088
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,210
myself and the party I was with and the

2089
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:26,400
farmer's house and the object was

2090
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:28,650
glowing brightly and reflecting off the

2091
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,330
windows of the light of the farmers

2092
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:32,400
house which was on our side of the house

2093
01:22:35,810 --> 01:22:34,320
there's no way the one the lighthouse

2094
01:22:37,970 --> 01:22:35,820
could have reflected light off the

2095
01:22:41,930 --> 01:22:37,980
windows okay now that is our first

2096
01:22:43,550 --> 01:22:41,940
kernel hog a common skeptical impression

2097
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:43,560
of the episode that's what they've been

2098
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:45,410
claiming that it's a lighthouse

2099
01:22:49,580 --> 01:22:48,090
lighthouse move to the forest well we're

2100
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:49,590
not this year but I understand that

2101
01:22:53,930 --> 01:22:51,690
works well on TV with specialist I'm

2102
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:53,940
sure it does okay how about another

2103
01:22:58,700 --> 01:22:56,370
misconception of Rendlesham well there's

2104
01:23:00,439 --> 01:22:58,710
a lot of confusion because the primary

2105
01:23:02,500 --> 01:23:00,449
witnesses from the first night were

2106
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:02,510
brought in and how should I say

2107
01:23:06,530 --> 01:23:05,010
interrogated with hypnosis and sodium

2108
01:23:08,209 --> 01:23:06,540
pentathol that's what they assume it

2109
01:23:10,850 --> 01:23:08,219
will have some type of an injection and

2110
01:23:13,070 --> 01:23:10,860
between what happened to them there and

2111
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:13,080
in the forest they are so confused today

2112
01:23:16,910 --> 01:23:14,489
that I'm not sure they know which ends

2113
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:16,920
up which particular witnesses we talking

2114
01:23:20,810 --> 01:23:19,440
about I'm talking about I don't even

2115
01:23:22,490 --> 01:23:20,820
want to call them a witness Larry warned

2116
01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:22,500
Jim Penniston and John

2117
01:23:27,860 --> 01:23:25,080
burro so you're saying basically what

2118
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:27,870
they report we've had burros on the para

2119
01:23:32,270 --> 01:23:30,330
cast a couple of years back the things

2120
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:32,280
they remember they're misremembering

2121
01:23:36,530 --> 01:23:34,530
because of the sodium pentathol because

2122
01:23:38,450 --> 01:23:36,540
of the hypnosis or because of what

2123
01:23:40,250 --> 01:23:38,460
happened has been the forest or quite

2124
01:23:43,010 --> 01:23:40,260
possibly later they had regression

2125
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:43,020
hypnosis I don't know I know the stories

2126
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:44,730
they're changed locations have changed

2127
01:23:48,860 --> 01:23:47,010
all sorts of things have changed well

2128
01:23:51,100 --> 01:23:48,870
that becomes particularly discouraging

2129
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:51,110
it certainly is it's very frustrating

2130
01:23:56,180 --> 01:23:53,520
give me a couple of examples here what

2131
01:23:58,610 --> 01:23:56,190
specific things can we point to that

2132
01:24:01,250 --> 01:23:58,620
they are miss remembering that you know

2133
01:24:03,410 --> 01:24:01,260
to be other than what they say several

2134
01:24:06,050 --> 01:24:03,420
times Jim Penniston and John Burroughs

2135
01:24:08,150 --> 01:24:06,060
were back on location they're doing some

2136
01:24:10,970 --> 01:24:08,160
filming and working with some producers

2137
01:24:12,980 --> 01:24:10,980
when certain productions we always went

2138
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:12,990
to the same site that I was taken to the

2139
01:24:16,460 --> 01:24:14,610
first time I went into the forest

2140
01:24:18,650 --> 01:24:16,470
several three or four years ago when the

2141
01:24:20,660 --> 01:24:18,660
Jim and I were back with mph doing a

2142
01:24:22,670 --> 01:24:20,670
production for them and he went out

2143
01:24:24,230 --> 01:24:22,680
there Eastgate and took us to the write

2144
01:24:25,610 --> 01:24:24,240
about oh I don't know a couple hundred

2145
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:25,620
yards Oh

2146
01:24:28,970 --> 01:24:27,330
half a mile quarter mile from the

2147
01:24:31,010 --> 01:24:28,980
original site in this war that was the

2148
01:24:33,020 --> 01:24:31,020
right site and he said this is what the

2149
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:33,030
trees look like when we were there well

2150
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:35,040
then sir kettle who was the Forester at

2151
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:36,930
the time the incident occurred was with

2152
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:37,290
us

2153
01:24:41,480 --> 01:24:39,600
and Vince said these trees are only 25

2154
01:24:43,610 --> 01:24:41,490
years old it couldn't have been here

2155
01:24:46,370 --> 01:24:43,620
well I already knew that but I didn't

2156
01:24:48,140 --> 01:24:46,380
say much that's just one example if you

2157
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:48,150
look at Jim notebook the notebook didn't

2158
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:51,050
appear until about 25 or 30 years later

2159
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:54,090
recently I've run across someone who met

2160
01:24:58,940 --> 01:24:56,130
the gentleman that wrote on the bus

2161
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,950
snack from the site with Tim when Jim

2162
01:25:03,530 --> 01:25:00,960
came in from guard my back to the base

2163
01:25:06,380 --> 01:25:03,540
and Jim described what happened and

2164
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:06,390
Porter's notebook cut and grew a sketch

2165
01:25:10,220 --> 01:25:08,490
in the notebook I remember gallino burly

2166
01:25:12,170 --> 01:25:10,230
know there was nothing else in the

2167
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:12,180
notebook that he could see the date in a

2168
01:25:16,100 --> 01:25:14,370
notebook is dated an incident occurred

2169
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:16,110
time and data wrong it has the honor of

2170
01:25:20,930 --> 01:25:17,970
27th to December not the night of the

2171
01:25:23,450 --> 01:25:20,940
25th morning of the 26th there's a whole

2172
01:25:24,530 --> 01:25:23,460
lot of inconsistencies something

2173
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:24,540
happened to them there's no doubt about

2174
01:25:30,530 --> 01:25:28,530
that that's well documented but you know

2175
01:25:32,660 --> 01:25:30,540
things have changed they've been how

2176
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:32,670
should I say hand well that's a good

2177
01:25:36,300 --> 01:25:34,560
question here - do you think it's the

2178
01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:36,310
government investigators

2179
01:25:40,530 --> 01:25:38,830
who screwed the pooch as they say or do

2180
01:25:43,220 --> 01:25:40,540
you think it's the nature of the

2181
01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:43,230
phenomenon they encountered that impact

2182
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:45,550
because I don't know maybe a combination

2183
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:48,490
there off I tied up Kelly now how did

2184
01:25:53,010 --> 01:25:50,880
your superiors handle your particular

2185
01:25:55,470 --> 01:25:53,020
experiences here how did they treat you

2186
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:55,480
well I didn't have any real problems I

2187
01:25:58,860 --> 01:25:56,970
was kind of in shock you know

2188
01:26:01,260 --> 01:25:58,870
anticipating the worst I guess is the

2189
01:26:04,140 --> 01:26:01,270
best way to put it no they believed me

2190
01:26:06,270 --> 01:26:04,150
and we kind of put it to bed if you know

2191
01:26:07,380 --> 01:26:06,280
what I mean I wrote the memo to the

2192
01:26:09,230 --> 01:26:07,390
ministries of Spence

2193
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:09,240
that was not supposed to be released and

2194
01:26:14,010 --> 01:26:11,530
as far as we were concerned at all went

2195
01:26:16,530 --> 01:26:14,020
away which it didn't did it reappeared

2196
01:26:18,750 --> 01:26:16,540
three years later well the other issue

2197
01:26:21,630 --> 01:26:18,760
to ask about there did it impact your

2198
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:21,640
career in the Air Force fortunately not

2199
01:26:26,820 --> 01:26:23,920
because it's the intervening three years

2200
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:26,830
I got promoted I'm certain if it come

2201
01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:28,210
out and I've made two papers there's

2202
01:26:32,370 --> 01:26:30,280
been a big splash about it I probably

2203
01:26:34,650 --> 01:26:32,380
wouldn't have been promoted there's a

2204
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:34,660
stigma that goes with this once you get

2205
01:26:37,620 --> 01:26:36,070
involved with something like this is

2206
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:37,630
sort of like a car baby at Uchee you

2207
01:26:43,860 --> 01:26:40,000
don't ever get rid of it I think a lot

2208
01:26:45,420 --> 01:26:43,870
of us have that feeling I did everything

2209
01:26:47,820 --> 01:26:45,430
I could to keep it from being released

2210
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:47,830
when I got the call from the Acne 3rd

2211
01:26:51,450 --> 01:26:49,930
Air Force commander of Pete bent saying

2212
01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:51,460
we're gonna have to release your memo I

2213
01:26:55,470 --> 01:26:54,070
begged him not to and I told him your

2214
01:26:58,110 --> 01:26:55,480
life and mine will never be the same

2215
01:27:01,200 --> 01:26:58,120
please don't release it burn it those

2216
01:27:04,170 --> 01:27:01,210
are my exact words to him and his answer

2217
01:27:05,940 --> 01:27:04,180
was I've got to release it well yeah I

2218
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:05,950
wasn't speaking just to become public I

2219
01:27:12,420 --> 01:27:09,210
did just one of the things I didn't need

2220
01:27:15,060 --> 01:27:12,430
yeah so that that definitely is you

2221
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:15,070
would not have have come forward unless

2222
01:27:19,860 --> 01:27:17,410
you had been outed in other words we

2223
01:27:21,570 --> 01:27:19,870
wouldn't be talking now right what do

2224
01:27:24,150 --> 01:27:21,580
you think of penniston's claim of

2225
01:27:27,150 --> 01:27:24,160
touching the object and being downloaded

2226
01:27:29,130 --> 01:27:27,160
with 12 pages of binary code this comes

2227
01:27:30,510 --> 01:27:29,140
out years later I've always kind of

2228
01:27:33,140 --> 01:27:30,520
scratched my head about that one well

2229
01:27:35,670 --> 01:27:33,150
where do you come down on that well I

2230
01:27:37,890 --> 01:27:35,680
took the original statements from him

2231
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:37,900
and he didn't mention anything about

2232
01:27:42,780 --> 01:27:40,090
that but you have to keep in mind he was

2233
01:27:44,580 --> 01:27:42,790
in shock at that time they all were he

2234
01:27:46,620 --> 01:27:44,590
was so nervous I'm telling you he just

2235
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:46,630
was you know all he wanted was get away

2236
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:49,679
from it it's possible

2237
01:27:54,959 --> 01:27:52,960
he was worked on part of was fabricated

2238
01:27:58,410 --> 01:27:54,969
its parts they may have covered part of

2239
01:27:59,970 --> 01:27:58,420
it up I don't know I wasn't present I do

2240
01:28:02,010 --> 01:27:59,980
know there was a concerted effort to

2241
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:02,020
contain it I guess the best way to put

2242
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:03,850
it and then at a later stage to

2243
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:06,880
discredit it you know well that goes

2244
01:28:11,100 --> 01:28:08,530
with the territory no question about it

2245
01:28:13,260 --> 01:28:11,110
that person comes forward on

2246
01:28:14,970 --> 01:28:13,270
coast-to-coast radio and in

2247
01:28:16,770 --> 01:28:14,980
correspondence with one of my friends

2248
01:28:18,660 --> 01:28:16,780
who's been working with me on putting

2249
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:18,670
some stuff together on it and claimed to

2250
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:21,010
be Joe Wilson who was assigned there

2251
01:28:26,250 --> 01:28:23,730
from pearlberg field with special

2252
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:26,260
classified ground effect radar and

2253
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:27,489
missed out in the next thing and he was

2254
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:28,810
out in the field and he mentioned

2255
01:28:33,300 --> 01:28:31,690
working with me and he knew awful a lot

2256
01:28:35,010 --> 01:28:33,310
about what was going on at the base and

2257
01:28:36,660 --> 01:28:35,020
who was there and whatnot but there was

2258
01:28:37,979 --> 01:28:36,670
no Colonel Wilson there there is no

2259
01:28:40,140 --> 01:28:37,989
Colonel Wilson I've got a lot of

2260
01:28:42,660 --> 01:28:40,150
research on that he mentioned its names

2261
01:28:46,919 --> 01:28:42,670
of other people that don't exist too and

2262
01:28:48,660 --> 01:28:46,929
more disinformation oh boy well we've

2263
01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:48,670
got a we've got a lot of questions from

2264
01:28:53,459 --> 01:28:51,550
our listeners were fascinated obviously

2265
01:28:55,379 --> 01:28:53,469
with the Rendlesham case being probably

2266
01:28:59,160 --> 01:28:55,389
one of the key cases in the annals of

2267
01:29:02,820 --> 01:28:59,170
this subject and one one question it has

2268
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:02,830
to do with the radar track data and also

2269
01:29:08,910 --> 01:29:04,810
the scrambling of a fighter aircraft

2270
01:29:11,070 --> 01:29:08,920
from from the nearby bases we really

2271
01:29:12,689 --> 01:29:11,080
haven't heard much about the actual

2272
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:12,699
real-time response in terms of

2273
01:29:18,990 --> 01:29:15,130
scrambling planes that sort of thing

2274
01:29:20,939 --> 01:29:19,000
actual radar track data to your

2275
01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:20,949
knowledge I mean though what what sort

2276
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:22,719
of smoking gun scientific data do we

2277
01:29:27,540 --> 01:29:25,360
have in that regard and and how do you

2278
01:29:30,180 --> 01:29:27,550
address the lack of planes being

2279
01:29:31,770 --> 01:29:30,190
scrambled well I can't answer for the

2280
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:31,780
planes I can tell you this I was in

2281
01:29:35,490 --> 01:29:33,730
constant contact with the command post

2282
01:29:37,050 --> 01:29:35,500
through the radio net we did have

2283
01:29:38,610 --> 01:29:37,060
difficulties with communications but I

2284
01:29:41,459 --> 01:29:38,620
was pretty much in contact with him

2285
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:41,469
describing what was going on what I saw

2286
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:44,080
ask him to look in the sky asking him to

2287
01:29:47,610 --> 01:29:46,090
contact our waters him which was Eastern

2288
01:29:50,399 --> 01:29:47,620
radar we called if they had air defense

2289
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:50,409
for our sector I asked him to call the

2290
01:29:55,169 --> 01:29:53,050
tire and they even called Heathrow

2291
01:29:56,939 --> 01:29:55,179
everybody came back and sent me from the

2292
01:30:00,540 --> 01:29:56,949
command post they don't see anything

2293
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:00,550
well later I find years later that RAF

2294
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:02,560
Watterson did pick up something on their

2295
01:30:05,180 --> 01:30:03,449
radar they did

2296
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:05,190
have attractive dropped into the forest

2297
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:06,719
and later when the air traffic

2298
01:30:10,250 --> 01:30:08,639
controllers at Bentwaters nave comes

2299
01:30:12,319 --> 01:30:10,260
forward with science foreign statements

2300
01:30:14,660 --> 01:30:12,329
now that they're retired that they

2301
01:30:16,250 --> 01:30:14,670
visually saw the object they watch that

2302
01:30:17,930 --> 01:30:16,260
they saw it go across the scope of

2303
01:30:20,419 --> 01:30:17,940
high-speed they saw it drop into the

2304
01:30:21,890 --> 01:30:20,429
forest where we were how about that we

2305
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:21,900
got to do our break how about that

2306
01:30:28,370 --> 01:30:25,440
Colonel Charles Albright thank you thank

2307
01:30:30,799 --> 01:30:28,380
you sir okay we have permission now from

2308
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:30,809
the colonel Colonel Charles halt joining

2309
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:32,880
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2310
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2343
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2344
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your cell phone for free shipping to the

2345
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comm enhancing health and privacy we the

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2350
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engraving can bed strips and fibers to

2351
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protect from counterfeit and carding to

2352
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:25,320
a private bank having it led back at

2353
01:32:27,530 --> 01:32:25,770
interest

2354
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:27,540
forcing taxes to service debt this

2355
01:32:30,890 --> 01:32:29,250
capitalism what was Jefferson correct

2356
01:32:32,510 --> 01:32:30,900
when stating a central bank issuing the

2357
01:32:33,650 --> 01:32:32,520
public currency is a greater menace to

2358
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:33,660
the liberties of the people than a

2359
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:35,370
standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm

2360
01:32:38,630 --> 01:32:36,810
placing a free silver dollar in a book

2361
01:32:42,170 --> 01:32:38,640
that explains our monetary system call

2362
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:42,180
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

2363
01:32:51,170 --> 01:32:45,360
to understand the system call 866 to 237

2364
01:32:52,910 --> 01:32:51,180
that's 800 686 to 237 being prepared

2365
01:32:54,890 --> 01:32:52,920
against possible food shortages and

2366
01:32:58,540 --> 01:32:54,900
economic collapse is not complicated

2367
01:33:00,860 --> 01:32:58,550
just remember two words disaster stuff

2368
01:33:02,660 --> 01:33:00,870
addcom after those two words and you've

2369
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:02,670
got just one side for all your

2370
01:33:07,340 --> 01:33:04,770
preparedness needs to sass stir stuff

2371
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:07,350
calm prepares your family against food

2372
01:33:12,260 --> 01:33:09,810
shortages with linden farms freeze-dried

2373
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:12,270
foods and buckets or gourmet reserves

2374
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both with free shipping purify and rid

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your water of contaminants with a big

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berkey or other Berkey system and get

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free shipping plus a water level spigot

2379
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or fluoride filter at cost and protect

2380
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:29,130
your radios and other electronics from

2381
01:33:34,340 --> 01:33:32,730
emps with our EMP faraday bags starting

2382
01:33:36,530 --> 01:33:34,350
at just five dollars and ninety cents

2383
01:33:38,690 --> 01:33:36,540
when the food shortages and economic

2384
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:38,700
instability happens be ready

2385
01:33:44,780 --> 01:33:41,370
with all your stuff from disaster stuff

2386
01:33:48,050 --> 01:33:44,790
calm just remember two words disaster

2387
01:33:50,420 --> 01:33:48,060
stuff calm freedom through self-reliance

2388
01:33:52,850 --> 01:33:50,430
and personal responsibility barb assist

2389
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:52,860
bed Fuchs knows the importance of proper

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01:33:57,050 --> 01:33:54,930
digestion make sure you take a look at

2391
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the ultimate enzyme product they're made

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and not only do the ultimate enzymes

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but they can also help keep your blood

2397
01:34:09,170 --> 01:34:07,800
flowing through your circulatory system

2398
01:34:12,710 --> 01:34:09,180
as most of you probably know by now

2399
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:12,720
thick sludgy clotting blood is a serious

2400
01:34:17,150 --> 01:34:14,930
risk factor for heart disease and stroke

2401
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:17,160
clearly inappropriate and excessive

2402
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:18,690
blood clotting is a major health issue

2403
01:34:23,930 --> 01:34:21,330
and thick sludgy blood is not just about

2404
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:23,940
heart health either sludgy blood can

2405
01:34:27,950 --> 01:34:26,250
for my oxygenation and nutrient delivery

2406
01:34:30,290 --> 01:34:27,960
to all your cells and tissues and organs

2407
01:34:32,689 --> 01:34:30,300
and ultimately lead to almost any health

2408
01:34:34,910 --> 01:34:32,699
issue you can name concerned about

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today I hope you're listening to the

2416
01:35:00,650 --> 01:34:57,989
Paragon we continue with Charles halt

2417
01:35:03,820 --> 01:35:00,660
one of the key figures in the Rendlesham

2418
01:35:06,380 --> 01:35:03,830
UFO case we have Leslie cane

2419
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:06,390
investigative journalist with gene and

2420
01:35:10,370 --> 01:35:08,010
Chris and the power cast before we go on

2421
01:35:12,860 --> 01:35:10,380
Leslie you have any comments to offer or

2422
01:35:14,959 --> 01:35:12,870
questions of Colonel halt not really I

2423
01:35:16,250 --> 01:35:14,969
mean I'm utterly fascinated by of course

2424
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:16,260
what he's saying and I'm just sitting

2425
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:18,239
here listening so I can't think of I

2426
01:35:21,979 --> 01:35:19,290
think the questions you guys are asking

2427
01:35:23,780 --> 01:35:21,989
them is great the recent developments of

2428
01:35:25,490 --> 01:35:23,790
the radar people coming forward that he

2429
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:25,500
just mentioned is is really really

2430
01:35:29,420 --> 01:35:27,810
significant really significant I mean

2431
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:29,430
the reason they didn't come forward

2432
01:35:34,010 --> 01:35:31,530
earlier was because you mentioned that

2433
01:35:35,209 --> 01:35:34,020
they were retired after they came

2434
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:35,219
forward with this that they just feel

2435
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:36,930
that they couldn't do it because they've

2436
01:35:41,420 --> 01:35:38,850
been told not to her their statements

2437
01:35:43,130 --> 01:35:41,430
are that at the time when they saw it

2438
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:43,140
they said to each other we didn't see

2439
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:45,810
anything because they had had experience

2440
01:35:50,270 --> 01:35:48,210
with other controllers who reported UFOs

2441
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:50,280
and had gotten decertified and to get be

2442
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:52,050
certified as an air traffic controllers

2443
01:35:56,209 --> 01:35:53,489
to kiss to death in other words that's

2444
01:35:57,740 --> 01:35:56,219
in your career well it was also an

2445
01:35:59,090 --> 01:35:57,750
officer in the tire and I know who he

2446
01:36:00,380 --> 01:35:59,100
was he doesn't want to come forward he

2447
01:36:02,959 --> 01:36:00,390
doesn't want to talk but he was a

2448
01:36:04,850 --> 01:36:02,969
supervisor flying now what was he doing

2449
01:36:06,530 --> 01:36:04,860
in the tire 2:00 a.m. in the morning or

2450
01:36:08,330 --> 01:36:06,540
whatever time it was 1:30 two o'clock in

2451
01:36:10,370 --> 01:36:08,340
the morning when we weren't flying and

2452
01:36:11,900 --> 01:36:10,380
hasn't flown what was he doing with a

2453
01:36:13,820 --> 01:36:11,910
command radio he had a command radio

2454
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:13,830
some good questions Wow very good

2455
01:36:18,740 --> 01:36:16,560
question well where did that data end up

2456
01:36:20,630 --> 01:36:18,750
you know is it still under some sort of

2457
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:20,640
a list secrecy is there any way that we

2458
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:22,320
can do an FYI

2459
01:36:25,540 --> 01:36:23,730
what's that what data you're talking

2460
01:36:27,740 --> 01:36:25,550
about the air force tracking data

2461
01:36:29,209 --> 01:36:27,750
there's no record of it now other than

2462
01:36:30,650 --> 01:36:29,219
what the aircraft control is they just

2463
01:36:31,939 --> 01:36:30,660
think you remember because what was

2464
01:36:32,959 --> 01:36:31,949
going on they remember it's going into

2465
01:36:35,180 --> 01:36:32,969
the forest thing that there was some

2466
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:35,190
activity because the gentleman and the

2467
01:36:37,689 --> 01:36:36,960
officer and the tower the major in the

2468
01:36:40,060 --> 01:36:37,699
tire with

2469
01:36:42,430 --> 01:36:40,070
had to command radio on and they can

2470
01:36:43,959 --> 01:36:42,440
hear me over here me talking to the

2471
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:43,969
command post so they knew some of things

2472
01:36:50,919 --> 01:36:47,690
that were going on about the local UK

2473
01:36:54,010 --> 01:36:50,929
police have you uh were they interviewed

2474
01:36:56,169 --> 01:36:54,020
by Air Force personnel do you don't hear

2475
01:36:58,419 --> 01:36:56,179
much about the locals response in terms

2476
01:36:59,950 --> 01:36:58,429
of law enforcement the locals when they

2477
01:37:02,709 --> 01:36:59,960
did come out they were out at least two

2478
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:02,719
on two occasions perhaps more and what

2479
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:04,370
I'm told because I wasn't present when

2480
01:37:07,810 --> 01:37:06,320
they saw the indentations in the ground

2481
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:07,820
that were supposed to be made by the

2482
01:37:11,919 --> 01:37:10,010
craft when it landed they said looks

2483
01:37:14,380 --> 01:37:11,929
like rabbit scratching or hens nesting

2484
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:14,390
well you don't get three indentations

2485
01:37:19,750 --> 01:37:16,850
and hard-packed nearly frozen so clay or

2486
01:37:23,470 --> 01:37:19,760
a sandy soil in a winter time that are

2487
01:37:24,850 --> 01:37:23,480
equidistant apart all identical they

2488
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:24,860
didn't want anything to do with the old

2489
01:37:30,970 --> 01:37:26,770
hey I didn't see anything

2490
01:37:33,820 --> 01:37:30,980
well I this comes from our sometime

2491
01:37:35,610 --> 01:37:33,830
panelists gods Makai in Scotland a

2492
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:35,620
longtime poster here at the para caste

2493
01:37:42,100 --> 01:37:40,130
forum calm are you being prevented from

2494
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:42,110
revealing more about Rendlesham duty or

2495
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:43,850
security oath is there are there things

2496
01:37:49,060 --> 01:37:46,130
that you literally can't can't go public

2497
01:37:50,770 --> 01:37:49,070
with no not actually

2498
01:37:52,450 --> 01:37:50,780
now if you ask me some technical

2499
01:37:54,669 --> 01:37:52,460
questions or what was on the base there

2500
01:37:56,340 --> 01:37:54,679
are some areas where I can't go but when

2501
01:37:59,380 --> 01:37:56,350
I left the military I had a very high

2502
01:38:01,300 --> 01:37:59,390
classification I see that's of caste

2503
01:38:03,939 --> 01:38:01,310
dirty glances way beyond top secret

2504
01:38:06,150 --> 01:38:03,949
I was debriefed and a lot of things I

2505
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:06,160
can't talk about but nothing that really

2506
01:38:10,510 --> 01:38:08,449
pertains to this particular incident I

2507
01:38:12,189 --> 01:38:10,520
specifically asked what about the

2508
01:38:15,490 --> 01:38:12,199
Bentwaters incident and what occurred

2509
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:15,500
there and the debris first says huh and

2510
01:38:19,689 --> 01:38:17,690
I said well there was a supposed a UFO

2511
01:38:20,650 --> 01:38:19,699
incident in 1989 so I want to so forth

2512
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:20,660
they said and they stretch their

2513
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:24,170
shoulders wow that's surprising I didn't

2514
01:38:27,669 --> 01:38:25,610
answer one of your earlier questions you

2515
01:38:29,260 --> 01:38:27,679
ask me about aircraft being launched we

2516
01:38:31,209 --> 01:38:29,270
had no capability at the base at the

2517
01:38:33,220 --> 01:38:31,219
time we had the eight ends there

2518
01:38:35,169 --> 01:38:33,230
there were fighter aircraft but no

2519
01:38:37,300 --> 01:38:35,179
Kahala Lakenheath in different places i

2520
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:37,310
don't know if any of them were on alert

2521
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:39,170
you know because I can't speak for that

2522
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:41,810
I know nobody got into the air yeah you

2523
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:43,130
would think with the actual radar

2524
01:38:46,959 --> 01:38:45,290
tracking data of some sort of incursion

2525
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:46,969
like that that that's the first thing

2526
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:48,410
that would happen command post didn't

2527
01:38:51,580 --> 01:38:49,760
know because the tire said they don't

2528
01:38:53,850 --> 01:38:51,590
see anything they don't know anything

2529
01:38:57,250 --> 01:38:53,860
and Eastern radar didn't say anything

2530
01:38:59,860 --> 01:38:57,260
though they goodness of have shown up on

2531
01:39:01,780 --> 01:38:59,870
the Brits radars so the Mendenhall and

2532
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:01,790
apparently it did but they didn't make

2533
01:39:05,860 --> 01:39:04,250
any issue of it so they called you guys

2534
01:39:10,210 --> 01:39:05,870
and said hey you know what's going on

2535
01:39:12,610 --> 01:39:10,220
over there and they got they later one

2536
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:12,620
of these controllers later admitted that

2537
01:39:17,230 --> 01:39:15,890
he saw something on the screen but there

2538
01:39:19,450 --> 01:39:17,240
was no mention and I didn't learn this

2539
01:39:22,660 --> 01:39:19,460
for several years later okay I

2540
01:39:24,970 --> 01:39:22,670
understand well what do you make of the

2541
01:39:27,250 --> 01:39:24,980
of the mo D maintaining that UFOs in

2542
01:39:30,370 --> 01:39:27,260
general and the inventor Rendlesham were

2543
01:39:31,810 --> 01:39:30,380
of no defense significance when somebody

2544
01:39:34,180 --> 01:39:31,820
with in with any brain cells can see

2545
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:34,190
that they're so supremely relevant again

2546
01:39:39,610 --> 01:39:37,850
this is a question from gobs well the

2547
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:39,620
same approaches that our government

2548
01:39:49,480 --> 01:39:43,760
generally takes maybe it'll go away

2549
01:39:51,940 --> 01:39:49,490
maybe we can explain it well this leads

2550
01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:51,950
to another question from gods Colonel do

2551
01:39:55,540 --> 01:39:53,600
you have any views over the supposed

2552
01:39:59,070 --> 01:39:55,550
secrecy group that may exist to control

2553
01:40:01,720 --> 01:39:59,080
UFO information and you will be aware of

2554
01:40:04,780 --> 01:40:01,730
Lord Hill Norton believed such a group

2555
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:04,790
must exist even as chief of the UK

2556
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:06,560
defense staff he felt he was being

2557
01:40:10,210 --> 01:40:07,970
stonewalled when trying to investigate

2558
01:40:13,570 --> 01:40:10,220
UFO matters do you think such a group

2559
01:40:15,310 --> 01:40:13,580
exists I do and I did by the way have

2560
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:15,320
correspondents back on 4th authority of

2561
01:40:18,910 --> 01:40:17,570
Martin before he passed away and I wish

2562
01:40:22,380 --> 01:40:18,920
I'd had an opportunity to meet him

2563
01:40:25,770 --> 01:40:22,390
because I share a lot of his views hmm

2564
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:25,780
well that's that's one for the for the

2565
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:28,370
conspiracy side of this I've always felt

2566
01:40:35,020 --> 01:40:30,800
that there's there has to be some sort

2567
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:35,030
of it's not real simple yeah it's true

2568
01:40:39,100 --> 01:40:37,250
I'm to realize it there's probably I

2569
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:39,110
would say maybe a half a dozen to a

2570
01:40:44,050 --> 01:40:41,090
dozen agencies that collect information

2571
01:40:46,330 --> 01:40:44,060
and pass it somewhere I'd be willing to

2572
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:46,340
bet this just to guess that there's an

2573
01:40:51,190 --> 01:40:49,010
agency that's a civilian contract agency

2574
01:40:53,110 --> 01:40:51,200
made up with people from former or

2575
01:40:56,260 --> 01:40:53,120
current government people high-level

2576
01:40:58,540 --> 01:40:56,270
military perhaps some scientists just

2577
01:41:00,190 --> 01:40:58,550
under contract through a company such as

2578
01:41:03,010 --> 01:41:00,200
no I don't mean this is a company such

2579
01:41:04,650 --> 01:41:03,020
as SCA IC or lockheed or somebody like

2580
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:04,660
that

2581
01:41:18,060 --> 01:41:16,090
keep up they can keep it up keep it out

2582
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:18,070
of anybody crying and getting into it

2583
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:19,810
for freedom information or anything else

2584
01:41:23,490 --> 01:41:21,850
right I've always felt that there's a

2585
01:41:25,290 --> 01:41:23,500
lot in the private sector just being

2586
01:41:27,660 --> 01:41:25,300
being held there because of its

2587
01:41:30,030 --> 01:41:27,670
inaccessibility but you talk to someone

2588
01:41:31,770 --> 01:41:30,040
like retired colonel John Alexander who

2589
01:41:34,050 --> 01:41:31,780
claims he and his Colonel by the way

2590
01:41:35,970 --> 01:41:34,060
confirming the John's a good personal

2591
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:35,980
friend of mine John I don't wrote a very

2592
01:41:40,170 --> 01:41:38,290
good book Jonah was Danner and I go way

2593
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:40,180
back I've known Jon for probably 25

2594
01:41:45,750 --> 01:41:42,850
years he was the first person who I

2595
01:41:47,850 --> 01:41:45,760
thought was debriefed me and informally

2596
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:47,860
actually he was poking around on his own

2597
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:49,330
trying to get information when he was

2598
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:51,840
running the long lethal weapons program

2599
01:41:57,060 --> 01:41:54,250
so yeah I'm very familiar to ups and in

2600
01:41:58,890 --> 01:41:57,070
fact I had lunch with him last week well

2601
01:42:01,680 --> 01:41:58,900
he's been on the power cast and of

2602
01:42:04,260 --> 01:42:01,690
course he's also had debates with people

2603
01:42:06,480 --> 01:42:04,270
like Stanton Friedman over whether the

2604
01:42:09,410 --> 01:42:06,490
government has guilty knowledge about

2605
01:42:11,730 --> 01:42:09,420
the UFO phenomenon what do you think

2606
01:42:14,970 --> 01:42:11,740
there's some knowledge somewhere to put

2607
01:42:17,700 --> 01:42:14,980
it that way so you think there are

2608
01:42:19,770 --> 01:42:17,710
secrets to be had there or are they just

2609
01:42:21,690 --> 01:42:19,780
as mystified as there are about secrets

2610
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:21,700
to be have but I don't think you'll find

2611
01:42:25,890 --> 01:42:23,440
them and you will not get access to them

2612
01:42:26,850 --> 01:42:25,900
until it's determined by whoever the

2613
01:42:29,370 --> 01:42:26,860
discipline

2614
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:29,380
well Colonel what do you make of John

2615
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:32,050
Alexander never mentioning the the NSA

2616
01:42:35,190 --> 01:42:34,000
in the entire book wouldn't you think

2617
01:42:37,740 --> 01:42:35,200
that'd be one of the first places you

2618
01:42:40,440 --> 01:42:37,750
try to poke around that would be one of

2619
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:40,450
the first place you'd poke around I can

2620
01:42:44,850 --> 01:42:42,250
say you know the NSA is that how should

2621
01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:44,860
I say very interesting organization and

2622
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:47,110
we'll leave it at that they have a lot

2623
01:42:52,230 --> 01:42:49,360
of compartmentalized program yeah well

2624
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:52,240
because you're you know obviously you've

2625
01:42:57,060 --> 01:42:55,210
you been involved in what is an historic

2626
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:57,070
event in terms of this phenomenon and

2627
01:43:01,500 --> 01:42:59,440
reporting on this phenomenon how have

2628
01:43:03,780 --> 01:43:01,510
your views changed this comes from

2629
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:03,790
Ezekiel what do you think of the

2630
01:43:10,170 --> 01:43:05,970
anonymous Cooper and his deathbed

2631
01:43:12,090 --> 01:43:10,180
confession that was at the citizens

2632
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:12,100
hearing on disclosure recently in

2633
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:15,250
Washington DC Richard Dolan had this

2634
01:43:19,410 --> 01:43:17,530
unnamed person on there who

2635
01:43:20,940 --> 01:43:19,420
had some fantastic claims are you aware

2636
01:43:22,980 --> 01:43:20,950
of those claims and what do you think

2637
01:43:25,860 --> 01:43:22,990
people like that and Philip Corso for

2638
01:43:27,450 --> 01:43:25,870
instance well I I really don't know them

2639
01:43:29,340 --> 01:43:27,460
that well keep in mind I don't belong

2640
01:43:30,990 --> 01:43:29,350
down a UFO organization I don't

2641
01:43:32,910 --> 01:43:31,000
subscribe to any of their magazines or

2642
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:32,920
anything I do get an awful lot of stuff

2643
01:43:37,710 --> 01:43:35,290
sent to me unsolicited or people you

2644
01:43:39,810 --> 01:43:37,720
know call me or send me an email whatnot

2645
01:43:42,510 --> 01:43:39,820
and legitimate people I'll talk with and

2646
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:42,520
respond to them the fringe element I'm

2647
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:43,930
sure you're familiar with that I just

2648
01:43:46,350 --> 01:43:45,970
kind of blow it off I put this on the

2649
01:43:48,990 --> 01:43:46,360
shelf

2650
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:49,000
I don't worry about it every day there's

2651
01:43:53,610 --> 01:43:50,770
no doubt in my mind that we are not

2652
01:43:57,090 --> 01:43:53,620
alone there is some type of intelligent

2653
01:43:59,220 --> 01:43:57,100
whatever that can play with us appear

2654
01:44:01,920 --> 01:43:59,230
disappear it will do all kinds of

2655
01:44:03,780 --> 01:44:01,930
phenomenal things influence people do

2656
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:03,790
strange things that we don't understand

2657
01:44:09,270 --> 01:44:06,730
and it's just beyond our understanding I

2658
01:44:11,810 --> 01:44:09,280
guess the best way to put it and so you

2659
01:44:15,410 --> 01:44:11,820
would expect them that UFOs are probably

2660
01:44:18,440 --> 01:44:15,420
caused by visitors from other planets

2661
01:44:20,490 --> 01:44:18,450
that or another dimension is possibly

2662
01:44:22,110 --> 01:44:20,500
there's been a lot of talk about that

2663
01:44:26,190 --> 01:44:22,120
lately in certain some possibilities

2664
01:44:27,870 --> 01:44:26,200
there as a former military person do you

2665
01:44:30,510 --> 01:44:27,880
find that your friends look at you and

2666
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:30,520
say are you sure you haven't gone off

2667
01:44:34,830 --> 01:44:33,010
the deep end well I get a little bit of

2668
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:34,840
that but most people know me no and they

2669
01:44:38,580 --> 01:44:36,880
know that I don't dwell on it I'm

2670
01:44:40,500 --> 01:44:38,590
responding to you but I didn't search

2671
01:44:42,630 --> 01:44:40,510
you I'd keep in mind I'm not on a

2672
01:44:45,810 --> 01:44:42,640
pedestal every day I'm going to do a

2673
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North Carolina which promises to be very

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interesting and provide a lot of

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information to people that are concerned

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but you were asked which is the

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important thing we'll get back to more

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of this in a moment Colonel Charles halt

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joining us with Leslie Cain now coming

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standard of paranormal radio and now

2747
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:02,590
here's Jane Steinberg so we've been

2748
01:48:08,170 --> 01:48:05,810
asking your questions of Charles halt

2749
01:48:10,540 --> 01:48:08,180
we have Leslie Kane on the show we're

2750
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:10,550
talking about the Rendlesham UFO case

2751
01:48:15,940 --> 01:48:12,560
we'll get back to other questions in a

2752
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:15,950
moment Colonel halt but we verify you

2753
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:19,010
feel UFOs are either from other worlds

2754
01:48:23,230 --> 01:48:20,810
or other dimensions things like that

2755
01:48:25,540 --> 01:48:23,240
what about people who claim that the

2756
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:25,550
government not only has guilty knowledge

2757
01:48:30,250 --> 01:48:27,530
but they may have communicated with

2758
01:48:32,530 --> 01:48:30,260
these beings your feeling about that no

2759
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:32,540
at one time I had you know I kind of

2760
01:48:35,050 --> 01:48:33,290
thought that there may have been

2761
01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:35,060
something to Roswell but I really don't

2762
01:48:38,890 --> 01:48:36,320
know enough to comment on it

2763
01:48:41,130 --> 01:48:38,900
intelligently what do you think of

2764
01:48:43,030 --> 01:48:41,140
Roswell anything at all any comments I

2765
01:48:44,590 --> 01:48:43,040
would say there's certainly a good

2766
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:44,600
possibility that something phenomenal

2767
01:48:51,340 --> 01:48:46,850
did happen there and it kicks berg and

2768
01:48:54,460 --> 01:48:51,350
several other places okay okay we

2769
01:48:56,050 --> 01:48:54,470
understand that now have you ever other

2770
01:48:58,180 --> 01:48:56,060
than this have you ever seen anything

2771
01:48:58,480 --> 01:48:58,190
else unusual strange or anything like

2772
01:49:02,410 --> 01:48:58,490
that

2773
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:02,420
and another UFO if you will no yeah okay

2774
01:49:05,500 --> 01:49:04,250
that's not now I know there's some

2775
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:05,510
people that every time you know that

2776
01:49:09,670 --> 01:49:07,130
this guy gets dark they see something

2777
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:09,680
but I'm not one of those people I don't

2778
01:49:14,020 --> 01:49:10,970
go around looking up all the time but

2779
01:49:16,300 --> 01:49:14,030
only I do scan the sky occasion I'm not

2780
01:49:18,100 --> 01:49:16,310
hunting for UFOs can I ask a question

2781
01:49:20,110 --> 01:49:18,110
I'm you know back to the issue of

2782
01:49:21,690 --> 01:49:20,120
whether there might be this secret kind

2783
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:21,700
of research program going on in this

2784
01:49:28,770 --> 01:49:24,890
contracted Corporation or whatever I

2785
01:49:30,690 --> 01:49:28,780
mean I'm curious whether you have

2786
01:49:33,730 --> 01:49:30,700
Colonel halt whether you've ever

2787
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:33,740
actively kind of pursued through

2788
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:35,090
contacts that you might have in the

2789
01:49:39,370 --> 01:49:36,560
military whether you've ever really

2790
01:49:40,900 --> 01:49:39,380
tried to find out you know or just

2791
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:40,910
through your own efforts to try to learn

2792
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:42,410
more about that or if you just sort of

2793
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,330
stood back and not really made many

2794
01:49:50,290 --> 01:49:46,880
inquiries about it no I have not made

2795
01:49:52,210 --> 01:49:50,300
any inquiries right not because I'm sure

2796
01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:52,220
you believe that if you did you wouldn't

2797
01:49:55,540 --> 01:49:54,050
get anywhere anyway right unless again

2798
01:49:57,760 --> 01:49:55,550
anywhere I mean that that's just the

2799
01:49:58,910 --> 01:49:57,770
nature of the beast I have friends that

2800
01:50:00,260 --> 01:49:58,920
have worked at NSA

2801
01:50:01,310 --> 01:50:00,270
and I don't even what they did except

2802
01:50:03,530 --> 01:50:01,320
they went into the building in the

2803
01:50:05,540 --> 01:50:03,540
morning he came out in the evening right

2804
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:05,550
and I know how doesn't even ask them we

2805
01:50:10,820 --> 01:50:08,010
when I was in the dod IG we did an

2806
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:10,830
organizational inspection of NSA and it

2807
01:50:13,580 --> 01:50:11,850
was one of those things where every time

2808
01:50:15,310 --> 01:50:13,590
you open a door there's another door and

2809
01:50:18,050 --> 01:50:15,320
you don't get through a lot of the doors

2810
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:18,060
well can you explain then why Colonel

2811
01:50:23,090 --> 01:50:20,610
Alexander would believe that because he

2812
01:50:25,250 --> 01:50:23,100
asked a bunch of people and didn't find

2813
01:50:26,510 --> 01:50:25,260
out that therefore there is no program

2814
01:50:29,540 --> 01:50:26,520
he obviously doesn't agree with you that

2815
01:50:32,090 --> 01:50:29,550
he would never be able to find out well

2816
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:32,100
and I told him and we can laugh about it

2817
01:50:36,890 --> 01:50:34,050
now but I told him publicly in a forum I

2818
01:50:41,420 --> 01:50:36,900
said John series are very naive or part

2819
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:41,430
of the problem and he didn't like it but

2820
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:44,400
that's the nature of it and those are my

2821
01:50:48,980 --> 01:50:47,370
feelings yeah with all the contacts he

2822
01:50:52,190 --> 01:50:48,990
had I'm sure he should have seen should

2823
01:50:55,550 --> 01:50:52,200
have stumbled into something but maybe

2824
01:50:59,060 --> 01:50:55,560
he didn't we have questions here from

2825
01:51:01,370 --> 01:50:59,070
somebody let me give you his his screen

2826
01:51:04,130 --> 01:51:01,380
name or his member name in our forums

2827
01:51:10,340 --> 01:51:04,140
and I won't comment about what that

2828
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:10,350
means it is Yeti turds for sale hey at

2829
01:51:14,570 --> 01:51:12,210
least these creative gene that's so

2830
01:51:16,370 --> 01:51:14,580
that's pretty creative okay three

2831
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:16,380
questions for Charles halt Colonel halt

2832
01:51:21,950 --> 01:51:18,930
how much of the Rendlesham story is

2833
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:21,960
still not publicly known due to security

2834
01:51:27,950 --> 01:51:24,330
oaths national defense interests and

2835
01:51:31,190 --> 01:51:27,960
alike everything that I've known is is

2836
01:51:33,980 --> 01:51:31,200
out there now now I may change my mind

2837
01:51:35,930 --> 01:51:33,990
or opinion on something but you know all

2838
01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:35,940
the facts that I know are out there I

2839
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:38,250
have not held anything back I don't you

2840
01:51:43,190 --> 01:51:40,080
know several years ago I told a couple

2841
01:51:44,510 --> 01:51:43,200
of people I made a tape and what I did

2842
01:51:46,670 --> 01:51:44,520
is I sat down and put all my

2843
01:51:48,530 --> 01:51:46,680
recollections on a tape made a couple

2844
01:51:50,030 --> 01:51:48,540
copies sort of an insurance policy and

2845
01:51:52,940 --> 01:51:50,040
just helped refresh my memory if I ever

2846
01:51:54,710 --> 01:51:52,950
needed to and somehow that construct

2847
01:51:56,210 --> 01:51:54,720
construed is I had a second tape from

2848
01:51:57,890 --> 01:51:56,220
the night I was not there and it was

2849
01:52:00,290 --> 01:51:57,900
very very interesting

2850
01:52:02,270 --> 01:52:00,300
well no such thing I had one tape one

2851
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:02,280
tape recorder and it only had a short

2852
01:52:10,100 --> 01:52:07,770
battery life that is it there is no what

2853
01:52:11,780 --> 01:52:10,110
there is as far as I know now somebody

2854
01:52:12,860 --> 01:52:11,790
else could come forward and say I you

2855
01:52:14,330 --> 01:52:12,870
know I was in the weapons

2856
01:52:16,700 --> 01:52:14,340
George area that night er I was here I

2857
01:52:18,530 --> 01:52:16,710
was there several people have claimed to

2858
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:18,540
have done things or been places that's

2859
01:52:24,110 --> 01:52:20,610
quite questionable there's a law

2860
01:52:26,180 --> 01:52:24,120
wannabees if I call them okay about

2861
01:52:29,450 --> 01:52:26,190
wannabes what do you think of some of

2862
01:52:31,820 --> 01:52:29,460
the misconceptions that are getting too

2863
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:31,830
much other than the skeptical viewpoint

2864
01:52:38,090 --> 01:52:34,770
the original story that was released by

2865
01:52:41,300 --> 01:52:38,100
Larry Warren - Larry Fawcett and his

2866
01:52:42,980 --> 01:52:41,310
co-worker was that the Wing Commander

2867
01:52:45,290 --> 01:52:42,990
was out there Gordon Williams I know he

2868
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:45,300
wasn't I know I knew his whereabouts

2869
01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:48,330
because we kept track on the radio he

2870
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:50,370
also claimed that little green men came

2871
01:52:55,100 --> 01:52:53,010
out and communicated with him he claimed

2872
01:52:56,540 --> 01:52:55,110
there was a fog surrounding this craft

2873
01:52:57,770 --> 01:52:56,550
there was no craft tonight I was out

2874
01:52:59,120 --> 01:52:57,780
there because that's the only night he

2875
01:53:01,250 --> 01:52:59,130
could have possibly even been in the

2876
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:01,260
background somewhere and that we got

2877
01:53:04,370 --> 01:53:02,850
parts from the avionics shop and

2878
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:04,380
repaired this craft now how ludicrous

2879
01:53:10,220 --> 01:53:07,530
can things be and you wonder how we

2880
01:53:13,430 --> 01:53:10,230
figure out what happened last month or

2881
01:53:14,930 --> 01:53:13,440
last year well I'm convinced that Larry

2882
01:53:16,610 --> 01:53:14,940
was brought in and he was a dupe and

2883
01:53:17,870 --> 01:53:16,620
they they filled him full of stuff but I

2884
01:53:19,630 --> 01:53:17,880
told him it's about a hundred times

2885
01:53:21,980 --> 01:53:19,640
every time I bumped into him anywhere

2886
01:53:24,260 --> 01:53:21,990
said Larry you know you're just a

2887
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:24,270
walking Detroit a source of

2888
01:53:29,570 --> 01:53:27,450
disinformation and he's even admitted to

2889
01:53:33,410 --> 01:53:29,580
me well maybe but he's enjoined it

2890
01:53:35,870 --> 01:53:33,420
always made a career out of it Wow yeah

2891
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:35,880
that leads to another question on the

2892
01:53:40,250 --> 01:53:38,610
forum one way to cover up such an event

2893
01:53:42,470 --> 01:53:40,260
as Rendlesham forest is the planted

2894
01:53:45,470 --> 01:53:42,480
disinformation agent would claim so wild

2895
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:45,480
very few people would believe them so do

2896
01:53:49,070 --> 01:53:47,760
you think that Jim Penniston is involved

2897
01:53:52,010 --> 01:53:49,080
in that sort of disinformation when

2898
01:53:55,100 --> 01:53:52,020
these now these these revelations of

2899
01:53:57,620 --> 01:53:55,110
digital codes that he was downloaded

2900
01:53:59,270 --> 01:53:57,630
with and do you think that there's there

2901
01:54:00,680 --> 01:53:59,280
is disinformation going on from the

2902
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:00,690
get-go on this do you think this could

2903
01:54:04,010 --> 01:54:02,610
have been in the disinformation but I'm

2904
01:54:08,180 --> 01:54:04,020
not sure Jim is doing it intentionally

2905
01:54:10,250 --> 01:54:08,190
yeah okay are you aware of the problems

2906
01:54:12,830 --> 01:54:10,260
that they've had getting access to their

2907
01:54:15,590 --> 01:54:12,840
medical records because of health issues

2908
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:15,600
at the Y I watch that issue that that

2909
01:54:20,090 --> 01:54:18,000
that segment on that program in

2910
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:20,100
Washington and I don't agree with a lot

2911
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:22,290
of that I wrote him a very nice letter

2912
01:54:26,750 --> 01:54:24,960
explaining to the VA explaining

2913
01:54:28,430 --> 01:54:26,760
everything that happened to them

2914
01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:28,440
and that there could possibly be some

2915
01:54:32,780 --> 01:54:30,960
ramifications from radiation or

2916
01:54:33,980 --> 01:54:32,790
something and and gave him a real nice

2917
01:54:37,940 --> 01:54:33,990
letter and then they turned around a

2918
01:54:40,460 --> 01:54:37,950
threatened to sue me really I wasn't

2919
01:54:43,250 --> 01:54:40,470
aware of that I mean what would the

2920
01:54:45,170 --> 01:54:43,260
motivation be the to say that for to

2921
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:45,180
someone that's trying to help well you

2922
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:50,010
have to understand him the mindset when

2923
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:51,690
you become obsessed with something you

2924
01:54:55,790 --> 01:54:54,330
know it becomes troublesome for you is

2925
01:54:57,560 --> 01:54:55,800
the best way to put it so the

2926
01:54:59,420 --> 01:54:57,570
implication being here that some people

2927
01:55:02,990 --> 01:54:59,430
involved in this case have become

2928
01:55:04,180 --> 01:55:03,000
obsessed oh that's not the word that's

2929
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:04,190
an understatement

2930
01:55:09,230 --> 01:55:07,890
okay I think we sort of figure out what

2931
01:55:10,340 --> 01:55:09,240
you're referring to here you know

2932
01:55:14,270 --> 01:55:10,350
there's an interesting question here

2933
01:55:17,090 --> 01:55:14,280
from boomerang and that is for Colonel

2934
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:17,100
halt do you lend any credence to

2935
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:19,530
theories that offense at Rendlesham may

2936
01:55:26,900 --> 01:55:21,770
have been the result of testing or

2937
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:26,910
application of psychotronics weaponry no

2938
01:55:32,360 --> 01:55:30,000
I don't I had this conversation with

2939
01:55:35,570 --> 01:55:32,370
Jacque Brule some time ago you know it's

2940
01:55:37,220 --> 01:55:35,580
gone back and forth on this nope

2941
01:55:38,900 --> 01:55:37,230
there were too many people dispersed

2942
01:55:40,700 --> 01:55:38,910
there were too large of an area three

2943
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:40,710
different radio nets involved and just

2944
01:55:44,870 --> 01:55:43,290
it was been too difficult to do at that

2945
01:55:47,570 --> 01:55:44,880
time I might be sure we could do it

2946
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:47,580
today if you've had a small group of

2947
01:55:55,700 --> 01:55:52,170
people in close proximity maybe no I

2948
01:55:57,350 --> 01:55:55,710
don't think my personal opinion now

2949
01:55:58,610 --> 01:55:57,360
after reviewing everything I've learned

2950
01:56:01,400 --> 01:55:58,620
through the years from the people who've

2951
01:56:03,530 --> 01:56:01,410
come forward after the fact is that I'm

2952
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:03,540
convinced that that area in the

2953
01:56:08,450 --> 01:56:06,210
Rendlesham forest there is a hot spot so

2954
01:56:10,990 --> 01:56:08,460
to speak or a portal or something

2955
01:56:14,030 --> 01:56:11,000
there's some attractant there besides

2956
01:56:15,860 --> 01:56:14,040
what we were doing there it's what's

2957
01:56:19,130 --> 01:56:15,870
going on or what's going on is still

2958
01:56:21,230 --> 01:56:19,140
going on I still get reports from

2959
01:56:22,850 --> 01:56:21,240
British friends that were I knew when I

2960
01:56:27,230 --> 01:56:22,860
was stationed there that there's strange

2961
01:56:29,210 --> 01:56:27,240
happenings out there in the forest well

2962
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:29,220
this is one of the things of course that

2963
01:56:33,290 --> 01:56:30,960
we've talked about in the para Cass and

2964
01:56:35,900 --> 01:56:33,300
Chris is intimately familiar with some

2965
01:56:37,799 --> 01:56:35,910
of this because of the work he's done in

2966
01:56:39,859 --> 01:56:37,809
the mysterious valley

2967
01:56:41,580 --> 01:56:39,869
and that is there are certain areas

2968
01:56:43,439 --> 01:56:41,590
around the world

2969
01:56:45,629 --> 01:56:43,449
you can call portal areas or whatever

2970
01:56:48,140 --> 01:56:45,639
and there was a TV show based on that

2971
01:56:51,029 --> 01:56:48,150
premise a UK TV show called primeval

2972
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:51,039
where they have these dimensional

2973
01:56:56,129 --> 01:56:54,130
windows and people or creatures

2974
01:57:00,510 --> 01:56:56,139
sometimes would jump back and forth

2975
01:57:05,100 --> 01:57:00,520
between them so when we look at other

2976
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:05,110
events in Rendlesham anymore UFOs aside

2977
01:57:09,390 --> 01:57:07,690
from this particular event and before we

2978
01:57:11,729 --> 01:57:09,400
ask for your answer we do have to do a

2979
01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:11,739
break in momentarily we're talking to

2980
01:57:16,109 --> 01:57:13,210
Colonel Charles halt one of the key

2981
01:57:18,930 --> 01:57:16,119
figures in the Rendlesham UFO case we

2982
01:57:21,450 --> 01:57:18,940
have Leslie Kane who is serving double

2983
01:57:23,279 --> 01:57:21,460
duty both as guests and also as a

2984
01:57:25,290 --> 01:57:23,289
panelist Leslie where I really

2985
01:57:27,390 --> 01:57:25,300
appreciate the questions and the

2986
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:27,400
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3009
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3010
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to hear stories about property seizures

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frozen bank accounts confiscation of

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stocks and bonds it makes me wonder if

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the US citizen will ever again have the

3015
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right to life liberty and the pursuit of

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government intervention for this reason

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have any intention of trading with Midas

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3080
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3082
02:02:06,439 --> 02:02:03,840
Charles halt Leslie came joining us in

3083
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:06,449
the para cast this week with gene and

3084
02:02:11,240 --> 02:02:09,090
Chris so Colonel halt did you have a

3085
02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:11,250
response at all to my silly question

3086
02:02:15,770 --> 02:02:13,170
I've been told that there have been

3087
02:02:18,729 --> 02:02:15,780
strange oh they call them orbs I guess

3088
02:02:21,290 --> 02:02:18,739
glowing objects and several other

3089
02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:21,300
unexplained phenomena that take place in

3090
02:02:26,270 --> 02:02:24,210
that area and people we you know claim

3091
02:02:27,770 --> 02:02:26,280
to have seen objects but I can't say

3092
02:02:30,110 --> 02:02:27,780
they've seen yet that I know of any make

3093
02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:30,120
mechanic any structural objects

3094
02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:32,610
well you mentioned Jacques Valley and of

3095
02:02:37,959 --> 02:02:34,770
course his Magnus opus I think his

3096
02:02:41,090 --> 02:02:37,969
passport to Magana where he talks about

3097
02:02:43,850 --> 02:02:41,100
the tradition of fairies and gnomes and

3098
02:02:45,709 --> 02:02:43,860
elementals that go back hundreds and

3099
02:02:48,020 --> 02:02:45,719
hundreds of years the Rendlesham forest

3100
02:02:50,240 --> 02:02:48,030
is no different do you think that those

3101
02:02:52,610 --> 02:02:50,250
types of descriptions back in medieval

3102
02:02:54,709 --> 02:02:52,620
times might be what we are now calling

3103
02:02:56,360 --> 02:02:54,719
UFOs or orbs or

3104
02:02:57,470 --> 02:02:56,370
more of a high-tech sort of view of

3105
02:02:59,300 --> 02:02:57,480
these things do you think there may be a

3106
02:03:00,320 --> 02:02:59,310
connection there well I'll tell you

3107
02:03:02,240 --> 02:03:00,330
something interesting

3108
02:03:04,550 --> 02:03:02,250
just up the road from Rendlesham forces

3109
02:03:06,050 --> 02:03:04,560
but Li village but Li village is

3110
02:03:08,870 --> 02:03:06,060
supposed to be the home of British

3111
02:03:11,300 --> 02:03:08,880
witchcraft put that pie in I don't know

3112
02:03:12,620 --> 02:03:11,310
who there are a lot of other things in

3113
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:12,630
the area that could certainly attract

3114
02:03:17,900 --> 02:03:15,930
attention Orford island by the way

3115
02:03:19,400 --> 02:03:17,910
that's where the lighthouse is is where

3116
02:03:20,390 --> 02:03:19,410
the British did their experimental work

3117
02:03:21,980 --> 02:03:20,400
on nuclear weapons

3118
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:21,990
Kriegers and several other highly

3119
02:03:26,510 --> 02:03:24,810
classified projects sizable nuclear

3120
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:26,520
power plant is just up the coast a

3121
02:03:32,110 --> 02:03:29,010
couple of miles just down the coast is

3122
02:03:34,490 --> 02:03:32,120
RAF bazi RAF bazi it's worthy big

3123
02:03:36,170 --> 02:03:34,500
experimental radar was installed during

3124
02:03:37,700 --> 02:03:36,180
World War 2 to pick up the German

3125
02:03:41,900 --> 02:03:37,710
bombers when they come over the channel

3126
02:03:43,550 --> 02:03:41,910
so want to think in that area very quick

3127
02:03:45,490 --> 02:03:43,560
question here which relates to what

3128
02:03:48,950 --> 02:03:45,500
we've talked about so far Colonel halt

3129
02:03:52,490 --> 02:03:48,960
can you tell us your view of this of all

3130
02:03:55,220 --> 02:03:52,500
these things before Rendlesham encounter

3131
02:03:58,130 --> 02:03:55,230
and after how did this change your

3132
02:04:01,040 --> 02:03:58,140
viewpoint about what's going on here and

3133
02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:01,050
about the universe well be honest with

3134
02:04:05,210 --> 02:04:02,730
you I never gave you up of a second

3135
02:04:07,310 --> 02:04:05,220
thought until this incident occurred in

3136
02:04:09,680 --> 02:04:07,320
fact whenever I was summoned to go out

3137
02:04:11,750 --> 02:04:09,690
into the forest I was firmly convinced

3138
02:04:13,850 --> 02:04:11,760
of as a logical explanation and as

3139
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:13,860
things unfolded you know more events

3140
02:04:18,770 --> 02:04:16,170
yeah the object we saw that on this

3141
02:04:20,660 --> 02:04:18,780
exploding object the objects in the sky

3142
02:04:22,790 --> 02:04:20,670
moving at high speed and sharp angular

3143
02:04:24,590 --> 02:04:22,800
terms the object that came from the

3144
02:04:26,750 --> 02:04:24,600
south over hasn't sent on a beam you

3145
02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:26,760
know as more of this was evolving I was

3146
02:04:29,600 --> 02:04:28,290
thinking ho nobody's ever going to

3147
02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:29,610
believe this how am I ever gonna explain

3148
02:04:33,530 --> 02:04:32,250
this and I was in too deep to say

3149
02:04:35,060 --> 02:04:33,540
nothing happened because I've been

3150
02:04:38,690 --> 02:04:35,070
talking to command posts the whole time

3151
02:04:40,100 --> 02:04:38,700
and the cops all knew it it really

3152
02:04:42,290 --> 02:04:40,110
didn't change a whole lot like I said

3153
02:04:45,620 --> 02:04:42,300
earlier I put it on the shelf there's

3154
02:04:47,750 --> 02:04:45,630
something there I know that can I change

3155
02:04:48,620 --> 02:04:47,760
it no I can't you know why should I

3156
02:04:49,850 --> 02:04:48,630
worry about it

3157
02:04:51,110 --> 02:04:49,860
I'm still going to go to work tomorrow

3158
02:04:52,490 --> 02:04:51,120
I'm still going to have to pay my

3159
02:04:55,220 --> 02:04:52,500
electric bill I'm still gonna you know I

3160
02:04:58,730 --> 02:04:55,230
don't have to put gas in the car now

3161
02:05:01,460 --> 02:04:58,740
after you left the Air Force what kind

3162
02:05:05,090 --> 02:05:01,470
of work did you go into I I ran a

3163
02:05:07,090 --> 02:05:05,100
Community Association a small equipment

3164
02:05:09,410 --> 02:05:07,100
small city of 7,000 people

3165
02:05:13,610 --> 02:05:09,420
self-contained did that far I've

3166
02:05:15,200 --> 02:05:13,620
recently retired totally but the

3167
02:05:17,110 --> 02:05:15,210
question here with regard to the Air

3168
02:05:19,640 --> 02:05:17,120
Force did you retire when you did

3169
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:19,650
because of any factor just because you

3170
02:05:24,470 --> 02:05:22,010
reach the age where you get your pension

3171
02:05:26,450 --> 02:05:24,480
I'd gotten to the point where well I'm

3172
02:05:28,610 --> 02:05:26,460
reaching you know the maximum time I

3173
02:05:31,370 --> 02:05:28,620
could stay in and I didn't want to move

3174
02:05:33,530 --> 02:05:31,380
out of the area and so I had twenty and

3175
02:05:35,270 --> 02:05:33,540
a half years in no understand Northern

3176
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:35,280
Virginia so I put my retirement papers

3177
02:05:39,470 --> 02:05:37,530
in yeah I have a question here from

3178
02:05:41,870 --> 02:05:39,480
ufology who's one of our most active

3179
02:05:44,660 --> 02:05:41,880
posters and foreign participants that

3180
02:05:46,370 --> 02:05:44,670
formed out the para cast comm and this

3181
02:05:47,960 --> 02:05:46,380
is news to me I hadn't heard about this

3182
02:05:50,930 --> 02:05:47,970
perhaps you could shed a little light

3183
02:05:55,120 --> 02:05:50,940
what is your response to the Kevin Conde

3184
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:55,130
confession I guess he's contacted

3185
02:06:00,410 --> 02:05:58,320
researcher James East and in 2001 and

3186
02:06:02,750 --> 02:06:00,420
related that he had played a practical

3187
02:06:05,810 --> 02:06:02,760
joke on security specialist assigned as

3188
02:06:08,270 --> 02:06:05,820
a gate guard at east gate at RAF

3189
02:06:10,100 --> 02:06:08,280
Woodbridge the practical joke occurred

3190
02:06:12,140 --> 02:06:10,110
during the same general time period as a

3191
02:06:14,120 --> 02:06:12,150
Rendlesham forest incident and the

3192
02:06:16,220 --> 02:06:14,130
circumstances of the practical joke were

3193
02:06:18,410 --> 02:06:16,230
remarkably similar in description I

3194
02:06:21,230 --> 02:06:18,420
guess he was must have been on some sort

3195
02:06:23,390 --> 02:06:21,240
of show or something the description

3196
02:06:25,610 --> 02:06:23,400
seemed to mirror some of the

3197
02:06:29,120 --> 02:06:25,620
descriptions of the UFO reported by

3198
02:06:30,980 --> 02:06:29,130
Penniston and and Burroughs so are you

3199
02:06:33,950 --> 02:06:30,990
familiar with this person is Kevin

3200
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:33,960
conduct I know Kevin Conde well I mean I

3201
02:06:38,990 --> 02:06:36,450
knew him back at that waters and he was

3202
02:06:41,210 --> 02:06:39,000
a bit of a jokester and I do think he

3203
02:06:42,920 --> 02:06:41,220
probably did take a police car to the

3204
02:06:45,170 --> 02:06:42,930
gate or something I can tell you if he

3205
02:06:46,460 --> 02:06:45,180
police cars in those days work a car she

3206
02:06:49,910 --> 02:06:46,470
may not be familiar with the old Kei

3207
02:06:52,100 --> 02:06:49,920
cars made by Chrysler they were a piece

3208
02:06:53,390 --> 02:06:52,110
of junk but mr. McNamara decided he

3209
02:06:55,340 --> 02:06:53,400
would save a lot of money by buying a

3210
02:06:56,510 --> 02:06:55,350
whole lot of them and they didn't hold

3211
02:06:57,760 --> 02:06:56,520
up and they weren't worth anything but

3212
02:07:01,790 --> 02:06:57,770
anyhow they were just a rear-wheel drive

3213
02:07:03,110 --> 02:07:01,800
small family sedan we put lights on and

3214
02:07:05,150 --> 02:07:03,120
put the radios in them and they didn't

3215
02:07:06,830 --> 02:07:05,160
work worth the darn but anyhow condi may

3216
02:07:08,150 --> 02:07:06,840
have taken one out to the gate he

3217
02:07:09,980 --> 02:07:08,160
couldn't have taken it off the base

3218
02:07:12,350 --> 02:07:09,990
without permission you cannot do that

3219
02:07:13,460 --> 02:07:12,360
number one if he had taken a night into

3220
02:07:14,870 --> 02:07:13,470
the forest he wouldn't have brought us

3221
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:14,880
back with us he had a tow truck but

3222
02:07:17,420 --> 02:07:15,930
she'd have to have a high center of

3223
02:07:18,980 --> 02:07:17,430
gravity and four-wheel drive to go out

3224
02:07:22,160 --> 02:07:18,990
where that incident occurred

3225
02:07:24,380 --> 02:07:22,170
that answer your question I think so I

3226
02:07:26,090 --> 02:07:24,390
you know this is a first again that I've

3227
02:07:27,420 --> 02:07:26,100
heard of this and it doesn't sound like

3228
02:07:30,570 --> 02:07:27,430
something that you could use

3229
02:07:32,910 --> 02:07:30,580
as a explanation for one of the most

3230
02:07:36,210 --> 02:07:32,920
compelling I think and well documented

3231
02:07:38,970 --> 02:07:36,220
cases that we have a for someone to pull

3232
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:38,980
something like that off is to me akin to

3233
02:07:44,490 --> 02:07:41,770
college students pulling off the Socorro

3234
02:07:47,610 --> 02:07:44,500
incident as has been alleged by by some

3235
02:07:49,380 --> 02:07:47,620
revisionist researchers you mentioned

3236
02:07:51,750 --> 02:07:49,390
that you don't really have a connection

3237
02:07:53,580 --> 02:07:51,760
to this particular field that you

3238
02:07:56,790 --> 02:07:53,590
wouldn't have come out and really been

3239
02:07:58,530 --> 02:07:56,800
publicly vocal about any of this unless

3240
02:08:01,260 --> 02:07:58,540
you had experienced what you did

3241
02:08:03,990 --> 02:08:01,270
experience back in 1980 what would you

3242
02:08:06,900 --> 02:08:04,000
tell other military officers in a

3243
02:08:09,630 --> 02:08:06,910
command situation such as you were would

3244
02:08:11,850 --> 02:08:09,640
you give them any advice on based on how

3245
02:08:14,070 --> 02:08:11,860
you had to deal with this event what

3246
02:08:16,140 --> 02:08:14,080
would you tell them that they should be

3247
02:08:19,860 --> 02:08:16,150
aware of or how to respond to certain

3248
02:08:22,620 --> 02:08:19,870
things what would be your your your list

3249
02:08:24,450 --> 02:08:22,630
of suggestions for someone in the first

3250
02:08:27,420 --> 02:08:24,460
thing out telomers I wouldn't say much

3251
02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:27,430
of anything I would you know devour just

3252
02:08:32,280 --> 02:08:30,250
about all knowledge of whatever because

3253
02:08:34,170 --> 02:08:32,290
quite frankly it as I mentioned very

3254
02:08:36,960 --> 02:08:34,180
earlier once you touch it man you're

3255
02:08:39,300 --> 02:08:36,970
stuck with it it never goes away it just

3256
02:08:41,010 --> 02:08:39,310
it's one of those things and it becomes

3257
02:08:45,990 --> 02:08:41,020
a bit of a how should I say a bit of a

3258
02:08:47,220 --> 02:08:46,000
pain gosh you're a part of the part of

3259
02:08:49,980 --> 02:08:47,230
the cover-up that I'm hiding something

3260
02:08:51,660 --> 02:08:49,990
I'm not hiding anything now you're as

3261
02:08:53,100 --> 02:08:51,670
much of a victim in this situation as

3262
02:08:55,140 --> 02:08:53,110
everyone else had had to deal with it

3263
02:08:56,760 --> 02:08:55,150
out there I'm you know and it puts you

3264
02:08:59,850 --> 02:08:56,770
in even a worse position because you're

3265
02:09:02,490 --> 02:08:59,860
you're you're in command and well I find

3266
02:09:04,380 --> 02:09:02,500
the memo I've made the tape exactly I

3267
02:09:06,120 --> 02:09:04,390
took the tape along because I carried

3268
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:06,130
the tape fost about everywhere I went so

3269
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:08,650
I have some evidence I took the disaster

3270
02:09:12,660 --> 02:09:10,330
pairing this guy along with Geiger

3271
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:12,670
counter in 1827 so I could show that

3272
02:09:16,680 --> 02:09:14,050
there was no radiation out there and he

3273
02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:16,690
also had a camera so the idea was to go

3274
02:09:21,690 --> 02:09:18,480
out there put the similar thing to rest

3275
02:09:24,210 --> 02:09:21,700
well it didn't work very well yeah so

3276
02:09:26,760 --> 02:09:24,220
the short answer is deny everything

3277
02:09:28,260 --> 02:09:26,770
don't don't engage unless you're

3278
02:09:29,850 --> 02:09:28,270
prepared to spend the rest of your life

3279
02:09:32,760 --> 02:09:29,860
answering questions and dealing with

3280
02:09:35,820 --> 02:09:32,770
critics and skeptics and lord knows what

3281
02:09:38,700 --> 02:09:35,830
all do you have any regrets now Colonel

3282
02:09:40,290 --> 02:09:38,710
halt over being public about this would

3283
02:09:41,270 --> 02:09:40,300
you prefer to maybe just keep it a

3284
02:09:44,899 --> 02:09:41,280
secret and get on with

3285
02:09:47,060 --> 02:09:44,909
life I would have preferred that but the

3286
02:09:48,740 --> 02:09:47,070
fact is once it became I and there was

3287
02:09:51,859 --> 02:09:48,750
so much disinformation I fell in lava

3288
02:09:53,330 --> 02:09:51,869
Gatien to set the record straight so

3289
02:09:54,830 --> 02:09:53,340
this is what you continue to do and this

3290
02:09:57,140 --> 02:09:54,840
is the reason why you get up in the

3291
02:09:59,330 --> 02:09:57,150
morning sometimes and you come on a

3292
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radio show like this or you attend a

3293
02:10:04,580 --> 02:10:01,440
special event a UFO related event like

3294
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:04,590
the one in North Carolina and June I do

3295
02:10:09,049 --> 02:10:06,570
very very few events you know you didn't

3296
02:10:11,540 --> 02:10:09,059
see me in Washington well we've gone

3297
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into that before you came on and why I

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02:10:15,229 --> 02:10:13,139
can understand why a lot of people

3299
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didn't want to come to that Washington

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event but that's another story

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[Music]

3397
02:15:04,439 --> 02:15:01,929
with gene and Chris with Leslie Kane and

3398
02:15:06,959 --> 02:15:04,449
Charles halt talking about UFOs

3399
02:15:09,569 --> 02:15:06,969
Rendlesham all sorts of things let's go

3400
02:15:12,209 --> 02:15:09,579
back very briefly Colonel halt to the

3401
02:15:14,970 --> 02:15:12,219
Citizen hearing on disclosure you

3402
02:15:16,680 --> 02:15:14,980
weren't there and I was invited I was

3403
02:15:19,109 --> 02:15:16,690
encouraged by several of the

3404
02:15:20,729 --> 02:15:19,119
participants and promised all sorts of

3405
02:15:22,020 --> 02:15:20,739
things and I said I just didn't want to

3406
02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:22,030
be involved there were too many people

3407
02:15:25,859 --> 02:15:24,610
there that and too many things and I was

3408
02:15:28,020 --> 02:15:25,869
sure going to happen that I didn't want

3409
02:15:30,359 --> 02:15:28,030
to be associated with well I think you

3410
02:15:31,919 --> 02:15:30,369
were shown to be quite correct and that

3411
02:15:34,589 --> 02:15:31,929
explains why Leslie and other people

3412
02:15:37,740 --> 02:15:34,599
didn't come up offend either but what do

3413
02:15:39,689 --> 02:15:37,750
you think here as someone I guess you'll

3414
02:15:41,490 --> 02:15:39,699
call you an outsider you've had the

3415
02:15:42,450 --> 02:15:41,500
experience but you're not a participant

3416
02:15:47,629 --> 02:15:42,460
in the UFO field

3417
02:15:51,030 --> 02:15:47,639
what do events like that do in terms of

3418
02:15:53,399 --> 02:15:51,040
trying to get to answers just muddy the

3419
02:15:54,810 --> 02:15:53,409
waters well I'm convinced the one in

3420
02:15:58,080 --> 02:15:54,820
Washington muddied the waters there was

3421
02:15:59,970 --> 02:15:58,090
so much how shall I say well you can't

3422
02:16:02,160 --> 02:15:59,980
use the words you want to but you can

3423
02:16:04,709 --> 02:16:02,170
use some other words I can use some

3424
02:16:07,169 --> 02:16:04,719
other words yes you can abbreviate like

3425
02:16:08,939 --> 02:16:07,179
yeah it played right into the hands of

3426
02:16:10,620 --> 02:16:08,949
those that like to make everybody and

3427
02:16:13,410 --> 02:16:10,630
that has anything to do or reports the

3428
02:16:15,450 --> 02:16:13,420
UFO look like a kook that's something I

3429
02:16:18,419 --> 02:16:15,460
was shocked I know Paul Hillier that

3430
02:16:20,189 --> 02:16:18,429
former ministry defense for Canada and

3431
02:16:22,109 --> 02:16:20,199
his presentation he started talking

3432
02:16:23,850 --> 02:16:22,119
about the tall whites and small greys

3433
02:16:26,129 --> 02:16:23,860
and the eight or ten other people no

3434
02:16:27,810 --> 02:16:26,139
that's certainly possible but I mean he

3435
02:16:29,250 --> 02:16:27,820
didn't do anything substantiate that and

3436
02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:29,260
he even I thought mentioned my name I

3437
02:16:33,480 --> 02:16:32,170
wasn't sure and said I had contact with

3438
02:16:35,339 --> 02:16:33,490
him I'm not sure where they met me or

3439
02:16:37,320 --> 02:16:35,349
somebody else he's confused um I don't

3440
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:37,330
know okay so we know that you haven't

3441
02:16:43,139 --> 02:16:40,170
had contact have you had any unusual

3442
02:16:45,049 --> 02:16:43,149
experiences after Rendlesham though none

3443
02:16:48,530 --> 02:16:45,059
that relate to something like that

3444
02:16:50,480 --> 02:16:48,540
well the unusual experiences in general

3445
02:16:53,129 --> 02:16:50,490
no not really

3446
02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:53,139
nothing that I could have tribute to you

3447
02:16:58,410 --> 02:16:56,170
know some other force or person or being

3448
02:17:00,629 --> 02:16:58,420
or intelligence have you ever been

3449
02:17:03,360 --> 02:17:00,639
approached and told you know you

3450
02:17:06,410 --> 02:17:03,370
shouldn't say certain things in public

3451
02:17:08,219 --> 02:17:06,420
have you had any sort of of

3452
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:08,229
admonishments from the government or

3453
02:17:11,549 --> 02:17:10,090
from the military or anything or they've

3454
02:17:15,120 --> 02:17:11,559
just pretty much let you

3455
02:17:17,160 --> 02:17:15,130
you know what let me tell you before I

3456
02:17:20,490 --> 02:17:17,170
retired I ran the inspection director

3457
02:17:23,700 --> 02:17:20,500
for the dod IG that was back in 1989

3458
02:17:25,530 --> 02:17:23,710
through 98 91 I was approached by

3459
02:17:27,629 --> 02:17:25,540
unsolved mysteries to do the program

3460
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which I did end up doing and I was a

3461
02:17:31,129 --> 02:17:29,349
little nervous I was on active duty so I

3462
02:17:33,030 --> 02:17:31,139
went in and talked to the IG and said

3463
02:17:34,919 --> 02:17:33,040
I've been approached through this

3464
02:17:36,509 --> 02:17:34,929
program and here's what it's about and I

3465
02:17:38,189 --> 02:17:36,519
was told sit down and tell me about it

3466
02:17:40,169 --> 02:17:38,199
so I described spent about 45 minutes

3467
02:17:43,290 --> 02:17:40,179
described what happened and the answer

3468
02:17:45,120 --> 02:17:43,300
was it go do it and I did it the key

3469
02:17:46,729 --> 02:17:45,130
being here that nobody from the military

3470
02:17:50,040 --> 02:17:46,739
ever said Colonel halt

3471
02:17:51,899 --> 02:17:50,050
don't make public statements don't

3472
02:17:54,750 --> 02:17:51,909
participate in these TV shows that kind

3473
02:17:57,450 --> 02:17:54,760
of thing nothing ever as long as you did

3474
02:17:58,769 --> 02:17:57,460
your job as long as I did my job no I

3475
02:18:00,299 --> 02:17:58,779
did have some people tell me man I

3476
02:18:01,889 --> 02:18:00,309
wouldn't do that if I were you but I

3477
02:18:05,339 --> 02:18:01,899
think that was you know friendly advice

3478
02:18:07,080 --> 02:18:05,349
so to speak and no feedback after the

3479
02:18:10,169 --> 02:18:07,090
show they say hey you look real good

3480
02:18:15,179 --> 02:18:10,179
there you're really got TV appeals

3481
02:18:18,089 --> 02:18:15,189
nothing like that well yeah I did get

3482
02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:18,099
some feedback but it was rather positive

3483
02:18:23,099 --> 02:18:21,369
I guess see I was not on solve mysteries

3484
02:18:24,750 --> 02:18:23,109
they hired an actor to do it all I did

3485
02:18:26,009 --> 02:18:24,760
was provide technical advice and help

3486
02:18:28,830 --> 02:18:26,019
them do the script and put it together

3487
02:18:30,750 --> 02:18:28,840
so we didn't see you you didn't see me

3488
02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:30,760
I've been on other programs but not on

3489
02:18:35,309 --> 02:18:32,080
us hold me yeah was all done with

3490
02:18:36,959 --> 02:18:35,319
recreations that that portion of it in

3491
02:18:38,580 --> 02:18:36,969
fact I went to the Kennedy Center here a

3492
02:18:41,399 --> 02:18:38,590
couple years ago to a performance of

3493
02:18:43,109 --> 02:18:41,409
sheer madness but someone play and the

3494
02:18:45,089 --> 02:18:43,119
act one of the lead actors was the guy

3495
02:18:47,580 --> 02:18:45,099
that played me in unsolved mysteries we

3496
02:18:50,309 --> 02:18:47,590
had a big laugh after the program do you

3497
02:18:56,549 --> 02:18:50,319
look anything like you a little bit

3498
02:18:58,379 --> 02:18:56,559
maybe they actually did it did do a good

3499
02:19:00,240 --> 02:18:58,389
job with that episode I actually that's

3500
02:19:03,389 --> 02:19:00,250
one of the few that I remember fairly

3501
02:19:07,709 --> 02:19:03,399
well over the many episodes at that show

3502
02:19:10,439 --> 02:19:07,719
ran for years signed an agreement and

3503
02:19:11,580 --> 02:19:10,449
got residuals I'd be rich they reran the

3504
02:19:13,950 --> 02:19:11,590
thing about a hundred and fifty two

3505
02:19:18,780 --> 02:19:13,960
hundred times yeah they did well they

3506
02:19:22,169 --> 02:19:18,790
never give residuals not to they just

3507
02:19:24,660 --> 02:19:22,179
paid my expenses all right we know how

3508
02:19:25,950 --> 02:19:24,670
that works out

3509
02:19:28,500 --> 02:19:25,960
laughter if we covered pretty much

3510
02:19:30,870 --> 02:19:28,510
everything we pretty much covered the

3511
02:19:33,299 --> 02:19:30,880
full gamut a lot of the questions have

3512
02:19:35,270 --> 02:19:33,309
been answered by Colonel halt already so

3513
02:19:37,110 --> 02:19:35,280
I'm not going to have him restate

3514
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:37,120
answers to questions that have already

3515
02:19:42,990 --> 02:19:41,050
been been addressed I'm just just very

3516
02:19:45,450 --> 02:19:43,000
gratified that you're willing to come

3517
02:19:48,419 --> 02:19:45,460
out and speak with Gene and myself and

3518
02:19:53,040 --> 02:19:48,429
and and go down to North Carolina and

3519
02:19:55,590 --> 02:19:53,050
and present your experience in the

3520
02:19:57,960 --> 02:19:55,600
objective way and very you know with

3521
02:20:00,030 --> 02:19:57,970
great brevity I might might add I really

3522
02:20:02,550 --> 02:20:00,040
do appreciate that you have done this

3523
02:20:06,390 --> 02:20:02,560
and it would really be nice if we could

3524
02:20:08,850 --> 02:20:06,400
get more military personnel to come

3525
02:20:11,190 --> 02:20:08,860
forward who have experiences akin to

3526
02:20:13,320 --> 02:20:11,200
this are you familiar I'm sure you are

3527
02:20:15,360 --> 02:20:13,330
with Robert Hastings work what how do

3528
02:20:18,179 --> 02:20:15,370
you see Robert Robert and our good

3529
02:20:20,670 --> 02:20:18,189
friends yeah and I would imagine I I

3530
02:20:22,410 --> 02:20:20,680
know that he has has talked to

3531
02:20:24,600 --> 02:20:22,420
extensively what are your general

3532
02:20:27,300 --> 02:20:24,610
feelings about these objects showing up

3533
02:20:29,130 --> 02:20:27,310
around facilities where fissionable

3534
02:20:32,670 --> 02:20:29,140
materials is there whether it be

3535
02:20:34,200 --> 02:20:32,680
missiles ordnance nuclear power plants

3536
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:34,210
that sort of thing do you do you have

3537
02:20:39,270 --> 02:20:37,120
any sort of gut feeling on that or have

3538
02:20:40,200 --> 02:20:39,280
you really given it much thought do you

3539
02:20:41,910 --> 02:20:40,210
think that there is some sort of

3540
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:41,920
correlation between Bentwaters and let's

3541
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:43,930
say the Malmstrom in Offutt Air Force

3542
02:20:48,990 --> 02:20:47,290
Base events in the 60s and 70s I don't

3543
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:49,000
think the correlations as strong as I

3544
02:20:54,030 --> 02:20:51,130
once thought it was because the activity

3545
02:20:56,550 --> 02:20:54,040
has continued maybe not at the same high

3546
02:20:58,890 --> 02:20:56,560
stakes the same level that it still has

3547
02:21:01,790 --> 02:20:58,900
continued but there's certainly an

3548
02:21:05,340 --> 02:21:01,800
obvious interest in certain military

3549
02:21:06,870 --> 02:21:05,350
weapons no well if they were so far

3550
02:21:08,610 --> 02:21:06,880
advanced of us I wouldn't think that

3551
02:21:10,650 --> 02:21:08,620
they'd be that concerned if they

3552
02:21:14,160 --> 02:21:10,660
possibly had some vested interest in the

3553
02:21:18,480 --> 02:21:14,170
ecosystem here obviously keeping tabs on

3554
02:21:20,790 --> 02:21:18,490
these potentially catastrophic materials

3555
02:21:23,429 --> 02:21:20,800
would make sense so I've always felt

3556
02:21:26,490 --> 02:21:23,439
that this this interest in and showing

3557
02:21:27,780 --> 02:21:26,500
up around 47 as they did after we had

3558
02:21:30,210 --> 02:21:27,790
gone nuclear

3559
02:21:33,570 --> 02:21:30,220
I would think that that there may be

3560
02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:33,580
that that bolsters I think theories of

3561
02:21:36,750 --> 02:21:35,530
by people like Jack Foley and John keel

3562
02:21:37,620 --> 02:21:36,760
that maybe we're dealing with something

3563
02:21:40,560 --> 02:21:37,630
as terrestrial

3564
02:21:43,560 --> 02:21:40,570
we are and by by demonstrating our

3565
02:21:45,060 --> 02:21:43,570
ability to potentially destroy most of

3566
02:21:46,770 --> 02:21:45,070
the life forms not just plan it with

3567
02:21:48,480 --> 02:21:46,780
radiation that would make sense that

3568
02:21:51,719 --> 02:21:48,490
they'd show up and monitor our progress

3569
02:21:53,520 --> 02:21:51,729
in that regard so I've always felt that

3570
02:21:56,310 --> 02:21:53,530
that bolstered that particular argument

3571
02:21:58,620 --> 02:21:56,320
where do you come down on that I can't

3572
02:22:01,080 --> 02:21:58,630
agree with that I think we're being

3573
02:22:04,380 --> 02:22:01,090
monitored and we're occasionally getting

3574
02:22:07,350 --> 02:22:04,390
the message hopefully so do you think

3575
02:22:08,969 --> 02:22:07,360
that et if they're monitoring us they

3576
02:22:12,840 --> 02:22:08,979
have a prime directive not to interfere

3577
02:22:14,370 --> 02:22:12,850
or that they can't interfere to some

3578
02:22:16,820 --> 02:22:14,380
degree especially if we're going to be

3579
02:22:18,870 --> 02:22:16,830
screwing ourselves with nuclear weapons

3580
02:22:24,150 --> 02:22:18,880
yeah I think they're very carefully

3581
02:22:25,469 --> 02:22:24,160
interfering and selectively so do you

3582
02:22:28,679 --> 02:22:25,479
think it's some sort of conditioning

3583
02:22:31,110 --> 02:22:28,689
process as Jacque Peleus suggested that

3584
02:22:34,230 --> 02:22:31,120
it's it's kind of a slow sort of

3585
02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:34,240
incremental conditioning process or do

3586
02:22:38,570 --> 02:22:35,530
you think there are key events like

3587
02:22:42,660 --> 02:22:38,580
Rendlesham that may somehow jump-start

3588
02:22:44,040 --> 02:22:42,670
awareness or put a you know light a fire

3589
02:22:47,550 --> 02:22:44,050
under under the military of the

3590
02:22:49,050 --> 02:22:47,560
government I don't think Rendlesham was

3591
02:22:53,520 --> 02:22:49,060
meant to be a key event I think it's

3592
02:22:55,440 --> 02:22:53,530
just the way it evolved no so you can

3593
02:22:57,150 --> 02:22:55,450
see the memo hadn't gone out and the

3594
02:23:00,330 --> 02:22:57,160
paper had been released you wouldn't

3595
02:23:01,469 --> 02:23:00,340
know anything about it you know that's a

3596
02:23:03,690 --> 02:23:01,479
lot of you had something firmly

3597
02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:03,700
convinced I've talked to a significant

3598
02:23:09,139 --> 02:23:05,530
number of military people that have seen

3599
02:23:11,160 --> 02:23:09,149
things that definitely are not you know

3600
02:23:13,230 --> 02:23:11,170
they're out of the ordinary let's just

3601
02:23:16,410 --> 02:23:13,240
say that but they not going to do

3602
02:23:18,090 --> 02:23:16,420
anything look what happened to you yeah

3603
02:23:20,300 --> 02:23:18,100
that's that was one of my questions is

3604
02:23:24,060 --> 02:23:20,310
whether you're going public has

3605
02:23:26,130 --> 02:23:24,070
persuaded and sort of motivated other

3606
02:23:28,370 --> 02:23:26,140
other military personnel to contact you

3607
02:23:30,810 --> 02:23:28,380
and say well check this out

3608
02:23:33,120 --> 02:23:30,820
well I think the fact that I was part

3609
02:23:34,679 --> 02:23:33,130
went public is what brought the air

3610
02:23:36,300 --> 02:23:34,689
traffic controllers out and several

3611
02:23:38,100 --> 02:23:36,310
other people who have come on board and

3612
02:23:42,380 --> 02:23:38,110
made statements that were present at the

3613
02:23:47,980 --> 02:23:45,270
so you think that that that you've had a

3614
02:23:50,710 --> 02:23:47,990
positive effect in that in that regard

3615
02:23:53,270 --> 02:23:50,720
even though you've had some personal

3616
02:23:55,400 --> 02:23:53,280
qualms about ever coming forward in the

3617
02:23:56,990 --> 02:23:55,410
first place obviously and you would have

3618
02:24:00,790 --> 02:23:57,000
rather this situation had not occurred

3619
02:24:03,350 --> 02:24:00,800
to begin with what do you advise people

3620
02:24:05,930 --> 02:24:03,360
like that who are thinking about coming

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02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:05,940
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personally in these may in these matters

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I'll tell you what before we have the

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answer we got to do this break with your

3626
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permission colonel okay we have Colonel

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Charles halt

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02:28:29,620 --> 02:28:25,760
worlds the only way for me your truly

3733
02:28:31,870 --> 02:28:29,630
rich from Georgia real users real happy

3734
02:28:34,690 --> 02:28:31,880
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3735
02:28:39,620 --> 02:28:34,700
three three two five or visit one world

3736
02:28:48,050 --> 02:28:39,630
wacom that's one world whd why.com

3737
02:28:55,370 --> 02:28:51,910
[Music]

3738
02:28:57,260 --> 02:28:55,380
with Leslie cane we have Charles halt we

3739
02:28:59,750 --> 02:28:57,270
have gene we have Chris you're in the

3740
02:29:01,850 --> 02:28:59,760
para cast with our final segment we've

3741
02:29:04,370 --> 02:29:01,860
answered loads of viewer questions from

3742
02:29:07,070 --> 02:29:04,380
our guests from Charles halt and from

3743
02:29:09,170 --> 02:29:07,080
Leslie cane and now we're gonna look at

3744
02:29:11,240 --> 02:29:09,180
shall we say the end game but first

3745
02:29:13,070 --> 02:29:11,250
Chris before we did our break asked a

3746
02:29:15,830 --> 02:29:13,080
lengthy question of Colonel Hall

3747
02:29:18,230 --> 02:29:15,840
I guess advice to people in the military

3748
02:29:20,090 --> 02:29:18,240
about coming forth with UFO related

3749
02:29:21,710 --> 02:29:20,100
information well the first thing I would

3750
02:29:23,030 --> 02:29:21,720
say is that if you're in line for

3751
02:29:24,650 --> 02:29:23,040
promotion or something it's probably not

3752
02:29:26,510 --> 02:29:24,660
a wise thing to do it's not career

3753
02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:26,520
enhancing and you have to have a

3754
02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:28,560
conscience a good credibility and be

3755
02:29:32,510 --> 02:29:30,810
doing you know what you do and doing it

3756
02:29:33,860 --> 02:29:32,520
well or you're gonna have a lot of

3757
02:29:36,650 --> 02:29:33,870
problems it'd be it could be an excuse

3758
02:29:39,200 --> 02:29:36,660
to do some damage to you it's not looked

3759
02:29:40,460 --> 02:29:39,210
upon favorably if I hadn't been in porn

3760
02:29:42,380 --> 02:29:40,470
in my career where I was I probably

3761
02:29:44,210 --> 02:29:42,390
wouldn't have done it I'm aware of

3762
02:29:47,840 --> 02:29:44,220
situations where careers have been hurt

3763
02:29:49,760 --> 02:29:47,850
because of this yes especially enlisted

3764
02:29:51,620 --> 02:29:49,770
people but what happens Jim Penniston he

3765
02:29:53,000 --> 02:29:51,630
was totally derailed Jim Penniston is on

3766
02:29:55,550 --> 02:29:53,010
a fast track to probably be a Chief

3767
02:29:57,950 --> 02:29:55,560
Master Sergeant Jim Penniston was one of

3768
02:29:59,600 --> 02:29:57,960
the few NCOs that I had base commander

3769
02:30:01,640 --> 02:29:59,610
endorses deficiency report I probably

3770
02:30:03,140 --> 02:30:01,650
did that a handful of times over four

3771
02:30:05,480 --> 02:30:03,150
years and he was one of the few people

3772
02:30:07,820 --> 02:30:05,490
he was going places and after this

3773
02:30:10,040 --> 02:30:07,830
incident he just got all kinds of issues

3774
02:30:11,840 --> 02:30:10,050
from trouble and he claims that you know

3775
02:30:13,070 --> 02:30:11,850
he was followed he was this he was then

3776
02:30:14,930 --> 02:30:13,080
I don't know about that he may have

3777
02:30:17,240 --> 02:30:14,940
become paranoid eyed I can't answer that

3778
02:30:19,190 --> 02:30:17,250
yeah I know he had a lot of problems and

3779
02:30:20,990 --> 02:30:19,200
it derailed his career it certainly

3780
02:30:22,880 --> 02:30:21,000
didn't help burn either and don't you

3781
02:30:24,800 --> 02:30:22,890
think that's the big problem that maybe

3782
02:30:27,770 --> 02:30:24,810
we're missing out on information about

3783
02:30:31,100 --> 02:30:27,780
lots of cases from members of the

3784
02:30:34,250 --> 02:30:31,110
military from airline pilots etc because

3785
02:30:37,220 --> 02:30:34,260
they fear if they come forth their

3786
02:30:39,170 --> 02:30:37,230
career is history sure it was it was

3787
02:30:40,700 --> 02:30:39,180
deferred to me to write the memo why

3788
02:30:42,230 --> 02:30:40,710
didn't the base commander write the memo

3789
02:30:45,320 --> 02:30:42,240
or why not the wing commander write the

3790
02:30:48,590 --> 02:30:45,330
memo why do they all turn to me yes oh

3791
02:30:50,090 --> 02:30:48,600
god Weston kind of a rhetorical I was

3792
02:30:51,560 --> 02:30:50,100
shocked yeah they said right you know

3793
02:30:53,210 --> 02:30:51,570
get with all morning and you know do we

3794
02:30:55,040 --> 02:30:53,220
want some ESEs based I said he wants a

3795
02:30:58,280 --> 02:30:55,050
memo I showed everybody the moment

3796
02:31:00,230 --> 02:30:58,290
no it was no surprise they let it go now

3797
02:31:01,790 --> 02:31:00,240
30 or 40 years later and say I would

3798
02:31:03,410 --> 02:31:01,800
never let that go out well they knew

3799
02:31:05,780 --> 02:31:03,420
about it there's no surprise was typed

3800
02:31:08,900 --> 02:31:05,790
right there in the office so how do we

3801
02:31:11,150 --> 02:31:08,910
encourage people to come forth with

3802
02:31:13,610 --> 02:31:11,160
these UFO cases is might contain the

3803
02:31:14,630 --> 02:31:13,620
smoking guns how do we know I don't

3804
02:31:16,820 --> 02:31:14,640
think there's an easy answer to that

3805
02:31:20,480 --> 02:31:16,830
question I don't think you're gonna get

3806
02:31:22,190 --> 02:31:20,490
an answer until the attitude changes and

3807
02:31:24,559 --> 02:31:22,200
part of the problem is there's so much

3808
02:31:28,070 --> 02:31:24,569
disinformation and this has been played

3809
02:31:31,790 --> 02:31:28,080
by agencies and you know made a bit of a

3810
02:31:34,639 --> 02:31:31,800
scream I call ridicule type thing you

3811
02:31:37,610 --> 02:31:34,649
say disinformation I'm assuming than

3812
02:31:40,370 --> 02:31:37,620
feeding false information into the UFO

3813
02:31:42,620 --> 02:31:40,380
cesspool any specific examples that come

3814
02:31:44,090 --> 02:31:42,630
to mind well I gave you a good one of

3815
02:31:46,309 --> 02:31:44,100
that Colonel Wilson and suppose if he

3816
02:31:48,469 --> 02:31:46,319
came forward even sent emails he can

3817
02:31:50,570 --> 02:31:48,479
he's going on coast-to-coast and made

3818
02:31:52,969 --> 02:31:50,580
all kinds of statements and he obviously

3819
02:31:55,010 --> 02:31:52,979
knew an awful lot about that Watterson

3820
02:31:57,050 --> 02:31:55,020
time and how it operated and the names

3821
02:31:58,580 --> 02:31:57,060
and all sorts of things so you think he

3822
02:32:02,080 --> 02:31:58,590
was encouraged by the military to do

3823
02:32:05,840 --> 02:32:02,090
that there is no such person I contend

3824
02:32:07,670 --> 02:32:05,850
do you think he was sent by some kind of

3825
02:32:09,170 --> 02:32:07,680
government agency or do you think he was

3826
02:32:10,070 --> 02:32:09,180
operating independently and just trying

3827
02:32:12,380 --> 02:32:10,080
to have a good time

3828
02:32:13,880 --> 02:32:12,390
I couldn't even operating independently

3829
02:32:15,469 --> 02:32:13,890
I don't think unless he'd been stationed

3830
02:32:16,790 --> 02:32:15,479
there at the time and knew everybody I

3831
02:32:19,250 --> 02:32:16,800
knew what had happened knew the whole

3832
02:32:22,219 --> 02:32:19,260
story because he knew too much you mean

3833
02:32:24,110 --> 02:32:22,229
he knew too much he knew too much no it

3834
02:32:26,150 --> 02:32:24,120
had to be a planted story do you have

3835
02:32:27,800 --> 02:32:26,160
any opinions as to where you think that

3836
02:32:29,660 --> 02:32:27,810
might you know where he might have been

3837
02:32:33,130 --> 02:32:29,670
his originated where he might have

3838
02:32:38,270 --> 02:32:35,900
I have friends that can chase anybody

3839
02:32:39,590 --> 02:32:38,280
down look for him and we went through

3840
02:32:41,450 --> 02:32:39,600
the military records and there was

3841
02:32:43,040 --> 02:32:41,460
nobody of that name that age you know

3842
02:32:45,590 --> 02:32:43,050
that had that experience and so forth

3843
02:32:47,599 --> 02:32:45,600
nobody and he meant somebody else that

3844
02:32:49,010 --> 02:32:47,609
was there that got him from the video

3845
02:32:51,260 --> 02:32:49,020
queue and brought him on to set up the

3846
02:32:53,210 --> 02:32:51,270
equipment the captain and there was no

3847
02:32:55,730 --> 02:32:53,220
such person different waters do you have

3848
02:32:58,460 --> 02:32:55,740
contact information for this guy no we

3849
02:33:00,620 --> 02:32:58,470
couldn't find he disappeared I see I

3850
02:33:01,849 --> 02:33:00,630
tried to find him Hastings tried to find

3851
02:33:03,110 --> 02:33:01,859
him I had several other people that

3852
02:33:05,050 --> 02:33:03,120
really know how to search people down

3853
02:33:08,650 --> 02:33:05,060
try and find them though no luck

3854
02:33:11,559 --> 02:33:08,660
nothing in military records

3855
02:33:14,540 --> 02:33:11,569
that it takes volumes for a month or two

3856
02:33:15,200 --> 02:33:14,550
that's what makes it so difficult it

3857
02:33:17,450 --> 02:33:15,210
sure does

3858
02:33:19,700 --> 02:33:17,460
now you're going to be appearing with

3859
02:33:23,179 --> 02:33:19,710
Leslie a number of other guests at this

3860
02:33:26,809 --> 02:33:23,189
UFO event this symposium come late June

3861
02:33:29,150 --> 02:33:26,819
what are you going to present Arden what

3862
02:33:31,969 --> 02:33:29,160
do you plan on presenting at the 2013

3863
02:33:35,750 --> 02:33:31,979
symposium on official and scientific

3864
02:33:38,090 --> 02:33:35,760
investigations of UAP UFOs basically

3865
02:33:40,670 --> 02:33:38,100
what I'm going to do is my intention now

3866
02:33:42,740 --> 02:33:40,680
let's explain what happened to me and go

3867
02:33:44,599 --> 02:33:42,750
into great detail as to some of my

3868
02:33:47,179 --> 02:33:44,609
thoughts and add a little more

3869
02:33:50,059 --> 02:33:47,189
background information and substantiate

3870
02:33:52,040 --> 02:33:50,069
the story a little more thoroughly so

3871
02:33:53,360 --> 02:33:52,050
you'll take questions from people who

3872
02:33:55,639 --> 02:33:53,370
attend and all that kind of thing go to

3873
02:33:57,830 --> 02:33:55,649
present your slides and stuff like that

3874
02:34:00,740 --> 02:33:57,840
I have a few slides and I don't have a

3875
02:34:02,719 --> 02:34:00,750
picture of a UFO and I can certainly

3876
02:34:04,760 --> 02:34:02,729
show some things and I can certainly

3877
02:34:06,950 --> 02:34:04,770
show where we were you know in the

3878
02:34:09,260 --> 02:34:06,960
forest where the lighthouse was where

3879
02:34:11,840 --> 02:34:09,270
the farmers house was and detail what

3880
02:34:14,510 --> 02:34:11,850
happened and you can play part of the

3881
02:34:17,210 --> 02:34:14,520
tape the original tape right well I'm

3882
02:34:20,360 --> 02:34:17,220
going to try to I think the quarters

3883
02:34:21,830 --> 02:34:20,370
died again well we can play a digital

3884
02:34:23,770 --> 02:34:21,840
version of it we can play a digital

3885
02:34:27,710 --> 02:34:23,780
version of at least people could hear it

3886
02:34:29,059 --> 02:34:27,720
yeah we can do that that's the best way

3887
02:34:30,830 --> 02:34:29,069
if you need any assistance with the

3888
02:34:32,990 --> 02:34:30,840
digital creation you know let me or

3889
02:34:34,910 --> 02:34:33,000
Chris know because I'm that kind of

3890
02:34:39,620 --> 02:34:34,920
thing that's what we don't get the big

3891
02:34:42,260 --> 02:34:39,630
bucks for I understand come down the end

3892
02:34:43,730 --> 02:34:42,270
of June to the program Leslie tell us

3893
02:34:46,219 --> 02:34:43,740
more about it once again for those

3894
02:34:48,230 --> 02:34:46,229
turning in late well it's it's an effort

3895
02:34:50,510 --> 02:34:48,240
to really bring together the most

3896
02:34:53,420 --> 02:34:50,520
credible military and government people

3897
02:34:55,250 --> 02:34:53,430
and scientists on this issue and it's a

3898
02:34:58,010 --> 02:34:55,260
it's a great lineup of people and people

3899
02:35:00,200 --> 02:34:58,020
can go to the website which is see UFO

3900
02:35:03,050 --> 02:35:00,210
RNC it's cents for Center for UFO

3901
02:35:05,599 --> 02:35:03,060
research North Carolina or if you go to

3902
02:35:06,740 --> 02:35:05,609
my facebook page I have links there and

3903
02:35:09,740 --> 02:35:06,750
I guess you're gonna put one up at the

3904
02:35:11,240 --> 02:35:09,750
para cast page as well yes I just I just

3905
02:35:12,440 --> 02:35:11,250
recommend that people go and check it

3906
02:35:15,940 --> 02:35:12,450
out it's a really really unusual

3907
02:35:18,230 --> 02:35:15,950
opportunity to see the really serious

3908
02:35:19,730 --> 02:35:18,240
official people and as I mentioned

3909
02:35:22,270 --> 02:35:19,740
earlier I think the fact that

3910
02:35:24,520 --> 02:35:22,280
representatives from the Chilean agents

3911
02:35:26,380 --> 02:35:24,530
and the French agency are both coming is

3912
02:35:28,630 --> 02:35:26,390
quite historic because they've never

3913
02:35:30,550 --> 02:35:28,640
spoken at a conference before and these

3914
02:35:33,100 --> 02:35:30,560
are actual government officials who have

3915
02:35:34,630 --> 02:35:33,110
spent a long time investigating the

3916
02:35:36,310 --> 02:35:34,640
phenomenon on behalf of their own

3917
02:35:38,440 --> 02:35:36,320
governments and they're gonna talk about

3918
02:35:40,390 --> 02:35:38,450
how there are agencies operate and what

3919
02:35:42,070 --> 02:35:40,400
they've actually learned about the

3920
02:35:43,450 --> 02:35:42,080
phenomenon from the work they do so

3921
02:35:45,460 --> 02:35:43,460
that's a really special component of the

3922
02:35:48,070 --> 02:35:45,470
whole thing and of course having Charles

3923
02:35:49,780 --> 02:35:48,080
halt there is very very special as well

3924
02:35:52,120 --> 02:35:49,790
along with these government officials

3925
02:35:54,070 --> 02:35:52,130
from other countries and we've got many

3926
02:35:55,570 --> 02:35:54,080
other great speakers this one thing

3927
02:35:57,160 --> 02:35:55,580
about talking to a person who has been

3928
02:35:59,290 --> 02:35:57,170
in the military and has a distinguished

3929
02:36:03,490 --> 02:35:59,300
record when you listen to them there's

3930
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:03,500
an air of truth fair from Charles Hall I

3931
02:36:08,530 --> 02:36:06,170
mean just the very efficiency the very

3932
02:36:11,050 --> 02:36:08,540
quick efficiency of his response is no

3933
02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:11,060
nonsense he knows exactly what he's

3934
02:36:15,070 --> 02:36:13,130
talking about he knows the case inside

3935
02:36:18,040 --> 02:36:15,080
out he's in he's just you know

3936
02:36:20,050 --> 02:36:18,050
absolutely just amazing to listen to as

3937
02:36:22,840 --> 02:36:20,060
far as I'm concerned I'm very very

3938
02:36:24,580 --> 02:36:22,850
credible as you and we just heard now we

3939
02:36:28,840 --> 02:36:24,590
should mention this is Saturday and

3940
02:36:31,330 --> 02:36:28,850
Sunday June 29th and 30th 2013 we

3941
02:36:32,920 --> 02:36:31,340
mentioned 2013 in case you're listening

3942
02:36:38,470 --> 02:36:32,930
to the show two years from now it's too

3943
02:36:40,240 --> 02:36:38,480
late to go yes it's a really reasonably

3944
02:36:42,490 --> 02:36:40,250
priced I mean this this is not an

3945
02:36:44,290 --> 02:36:42,500
expensive thing and that the man can't

3946
02:36:47,200 --> 02:36:44,300
set nerve from who has produced this

3947
02:36:48,520 --> 02:36:47,210
event has just really wanted to DS done

3948
02:36:50,980 --> 02:36:48,530
this out of the goodness of his heart

3949
02:36:52,540 --> 02:36:50,990
and has the absolute purest intention

3950
02:36:55,060 --> 02:36:52,550
about why he's doing this it's not a

3951
02:36:57,220 --> 02:36:55,070
money-making thing and I encourage

3952
02:36:59,620 --> 02:36:57,230
everyone to just really support his

3953
02:37:01,420 --> 02:36:59,630
effort and by coming because it's not an

3954
02:37:03,430 --> 02:37:01,430
expensive conference to come to and I

3955
02:37:05,740 --> 02:37:03,440
think you'll really benefit from it

3956
02:37:07,660 --> 02:37:05,750
everyone benefit who comes so I hope the

3957
02:37:08,890 --> 02:37:07,670
people will check it out now lastly if

3958
02:37:10,390 --> 02:37:08,900
our listeners want to get in touch with

3959
02:37:12,280 --> 02:37:10,400
you should they check your Facebook page

3960
02:37:13,720 --> 02:37:12,290
I would recommend the Facebook page yeah

3961
02:37:15,490 --> 02:37:13,730
it's an open page you don't have to be a

3962
02:37:17,200 --> 02:37:15,500
friend you just go to Facebook and type

3963
02:37:18,520 --> 02:37:17,210
my name and and go to my author page and

3964
02:37:19,600 --> 02:37:18,530
it's a great way to get in touch with me

3965
02:37:21,340 --> 02:37:19,610
there's you can send me a private

3966
02:37:22,210 --> 02:37:21,350
message or you can just post one

3967
02:37:27,100 --> 02:37:22,220
whatever you want

3968
02:37:29,260 --> 02:37:27,110
now tane is kea n summation exactly look

3969
02:37:31,240 --> 02:37:29,270
up linking Colonel halt you have a

3970
02:37:33,550 --> 02:37:31,250
website no I don't I didn't even have a

3971
02:37:35,950 --> 02:37:33,560
Facebook page for very good reason I

3972
02:37:37,960 --> 02:37:35,960
agree with you sir I agree with you

3973
02:37:39,700 --> 02:37:37,970
percent I think getting messed up with

3974
02:37:42,670 --> 02:37:39,710
this and sometimes be a double-edged

3975
02:37:44,950 --> 02:37:42,680
sword google my name and you find a half

3976
02:37:46,630 --> 02:37:44,960
a million entries you know that I get in

3977
02:37:48,250 --> 02:37:46,640
touch with Charles halt you can send an

3978
02:37:50,290 --> 02:37:48,260
e and message on my Facebook page and

3979
02:37:52,180 --> 02:37:50,300
maybe it'll get to him okay we

3980
02:37:54,670 --> 02:37:52,190
understand that and by the way you can

3981
02:37:55,150 --> 02:37:54,680
find us on Facebook there are two areas

3982
02:37:57,820 --> 02:37:55,160
called

3983
02:37:59,620 --> 02:37:57,830
the power cast fan club someday there

3984
02:38:01,540 --> 02:37:59,630
will be one if we figure out how to do

3985
02:38:05,260 --> 02:38:01,550
it but you can find us we're on Twitter

3986
02:38:06,580 --> 02:38:05,270
we are also known as the para cast and I

3987
02:38:09,100 --> 02:38:06,590
think I'm gonna try to have a page on

3988
02:38:11,560 --> 02:38:09,110
tumblr which is a service at Yahoo just

3989
02:38:13,960 --> 02:38:11,570
bought Chris is found at our strange

3990
02:38:14,620 --> 02:38:13,970
planet calm that's our strange planet

3991
02:38:18,010 --> 02:38:14,630
calm

3992
02:38:20,440 --> 02:38:18,020
Leslie Cain Colonel Charles halt thank

3993
02:38:21,370 --> 02:38:20,450
you both for joining us this week on the

3994
02:38:22,600 --> 02:38:21,380
para Cass

3995
02:38:24,219 --> 02:38:22,610
just wanted to thank you very much for

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having us having me on and for having

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Charles halt on and for also giving us

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an opportunity to talk about the

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upcoming conference and just always

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great to be with you guys I really

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appreciate the intelligence of your

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questions and how well you you know the

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subject and really know what to ask that

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brings out the right information so it's

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always a pleasure to be with you guys

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Charles well thank you very much I've

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enjoyed it I would look forward to

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seeing you and all of your fans and your

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the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

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and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible